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  Reply # 478528 7-Jun-2011 13:15 Send private message

nofam: . . . . And in other news, there's a suspiciously familiar-looking new feature in iOS 5 called the Notification Centre - why do I feel like I've seen it somewhere before? Wink


In all seriousness though, it's nice to see - I think both OS's can and should learn from each other.


I wonder if Apple's lawyers have passed that sentiment on to Samsung's lawyers? Call me a cynic, but I think not... ;-)

Also, RIM might well be having a quiet look at just how 'flattering' Apple are with their 'new' mail/sync technology.

Ah, interesting times.






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  Reply # 478535 7-Jun-2011 13:33 Send private message

ArtooDetoo: JHV GB Update.

Home screen issues mentioned in my last post have been resolved by reverting to TW wallpaper. It seems this ROM and Launcher Pro aren't playing nicely, the LP wallpapers having the display behaviour I mentioned.

So one issue sorted (well, worked around) and 2 to go. I'm happy with the level of touch sensitivity I'm experiencing, in fact prefer it to the screen being overly sensitive, so that's a non-issue.

WiFi performance is worse, as evidenced by the WiFi Analyzer app. Whereas before, I could depend on a best case of -65, my best case is now -70. That's something I'd like to fix but needs a different ROM I suspect.

GPS is a mixed bag. I get a lock to 10 metres inside my office but it takes longer than it used to (~13 seconds on average). I also had the GPS warning bar appear in Navigon while I was testing on Sunday, and that's the first time that's happened. Only one occurrence, but still...

So, the radios are not working as well with this ROM. I'll keep it running for a while longer to see how the battery use pans out, which appeared to be about a third less than under JPY, but seems to be better over the last couple of days. A few here have made that observation also, suggesting that the phone's battery calibration takes a few cycles to optimise. We shall see I guess.

A question for the technorati... Since I'm running GB now, my flash must have contained the Gingerbread specific bootloader? Yes? No?

Thanks to any kind souls who respond.

Cheers,
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i dont understand how the ROM has anything to do with your GPS and WIFI performance. surely if you use the same modem, the performance is the same? are you using different GB modems to what you used to use? and thus, if the performance is not as good, why hav you not reverted to the better performing modem?




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  Reply # 478538 7-Jun-2011 13:37 Send private message

lofreq:

i dont understand how the ROM has anything to do with your GPS and WIFI performance. surely if you use the same modem, the performance is the same? are you using different GB modems to what you used to use? and thus, if the performance is not as good, why hav you not reverted to the better performing modem?


Apparently you missed the bit about my comparing GB to Froyo? Laughing

Late night last night then? Smile

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  Reply # 478539 7-Jun-2011 13:38 Send private message

ArtooDetoo:
nofam: . . . . And in other news, there's a suspiciously familiar-looking new feature in iOS 5 called the Notification Centre - why do I feel like I've seen it somewhere before? Wink


In all seriousness though, it's nice to see - I think both OS's can and should learn from each other.


I wonder if Apple's lawyers have passed that sentiment on to Samsung's lawyers? Call me a cynic, but I think not... ;-)



absolutely - they (google in this case) should learn from apple's lead, and do the same. sue.


its laughable how they have taken till now to implement more or less the same thing android has always had. its nice to see the "industry leaders" also copying others to get to/stay at the top


and, what about this icloud nonsense?! is this not the same as google music?




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  Reply # 478542 7-Jun-2011 13:42 Send private message

ArtooDetoo:
lofreq:

i dont understand how the ROM has anything to do with your GPS and WIFI performance. surely if you use the same modem, the performance is the same? are you using different GB modems to what you used to use? and thus, if the performance is not as good, why hav you not reverted to the better performing modem?


Apparently you missed the bit about my comparing GB to Froyo? Laughing

Late night last night then? Smile

Cheers,
R2D2



wait... i took it as you comparing your new GB radio performance to your froyo performance. is this correct?

if so then yes, it still stands - the modem has nothing to do with the rom build. i used a froyo modem on my GB installations for months because the 'newer' gb modems were rubbish!

so my question was, if your performance was poorer (so was mine) then why not go back to the modem that performed the best for your region? youre not bound to GB modems just because youre on a GB rom - but you know that im sure?




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  Reply # 478550 7-Jun-2011 14:13 Send private message

lofreq:
and, what about this icloud nonsense?! is this not the same as google music?


Actually, that remains to be seen. My suspicion is that Apple has fallen behind its self-imposed schedule for the cloud and has kinda launched with bits missing, most notably streaming. Streaming is where Google's offering is intended to lead.

With iCloud, your music will be auto-populated onto the cloud to match your devices' iTunes library direct from iTunes' servers, meaning that you shouldn't need to upload the tracks yourself.

That will take the 'onerous' task of uploading away from the user for the majority of the users' music. However, since that's really an issue for the initial upload, it probably isn't that attractive to many unless they're committed fanboys, especially as Apple will charge you $25US a year for the priviledge of storing music you already own.

The competing services may well charge more (maybe), but at least you'll get your music and video streamed to any device you have for that price. iCloud isn't delivering that, at least for now.

Google's service is still beta, but knowing them, they'll find a way to make the service 'free', thereby making iCloud rather less attractive. I sense that Apple's feeling their "innovators" position is slipping away. Lately they're playing catch-up rather than leading. They had a pretty good run, but nobody can be king of the heap forever. I think they're heading inexorably down the Sony path - seemingly unstoppable, yet surprisingly vulnerable in the end.

But that's in the future. Watch this space. :D

Cheers,
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  Reply # 478552 7-Jun-2011 14:35 Send private message

lofreq:

wait... i took it as you comparing your new GB radio performance to your froyo performance. is this correct?

if so then yes, it still stands - the modem has nothing to do with the rom build. i used a froyo modem on my GB installations for months because the 'newer' gb modems were rubbish!

so my question was, if your performance was poorer (so was mine) then why not go back to the modem that performed the best for your region? youre not bound to GB modems just because youre on a GB rom - but you know that im sure?


I fear we're talking at cross-purposes here.

I pointed out that since changing from Froyo to GB, my radios (with the exception of the cell transceiver) perform less well than they did under Froyo. Something unknown has changed to make that happen, and it does matter that it's happened. It's a fact, measurable and undeniable, that with the stock JVH 'ROM' (as used in the sense that ROM includes all the stock firmware elements) installed, my SGS suffers from poorer radio performance than it used to under JPY.

I also said I'd be happier making GB work better than to revert to Froyo. That means GB PDA, CSC and Phone. I will, as I wrote earlier, move to a modded BG ROM once I've thrashed the stock version and tried to get it working as well as I can.

If it so happens that the 'modem' component will never be as good under GB as the Froyo versions, then I will probably surrender and revert to a Froyo version. But I don't see why that should be the case. Is GB somehow allergic to modem firmware? I personally doubt it. But we'll see...

I'm curious about your comparing the radios' performance to the region. Why would that affect GPS and WiFi? Do they have specific region variants?

Cheers,
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  Reply # 478577 7-Jun-2011 15:35 Send private message

ArtooDetoo:
lofreq:

wait... i took it as you comparing your new GB radio performance to your froyo performance. is this correct?

if so then yes, it still stands - the modem has nothing to do with the rom build. i used a froyo modem on my GB installations for months because the 'newer' gb modems were rubbish!

so my question was, if your performance was poorer (so was mine) then why not go back to the modem that performed the best for your region? youre not bound to GB modems just because youre on a GB rom - but you know that im sure?


I fear we're talking at cross-purposes here.

I pointed out that since changing from Froyo to GB, my radios (with the exception of the cell transceiver) perform less well than they did under Froyo. Something unknown has changed to make that happen, and it does matter that it's happened. It's a fact, measurable and undeniable, that with the stock JVH 'ROM' (as used in the sense that ROM includes all the stock firmware elements) installed, my SGS suffers from poorer radio performance than it used to under JPY.

I also said I'd be happier making GB work better than to revert to Froyo. That means GB PDA, CSC and Phone. I will, as I wrote earlier, move to a modded BG ROM once I've thrashed the stock version and tried to get it working as well as I can.

If it so happens that the 'modem' component will never be as good under GB as the Froyo versions, then I will probably surrender and revert to a Froyo version. But I don't see why that should be the case. Is GB somehow allergic to modem firmware? I personally doubt it. But we'll see...

I'm curious about your comparing the radios' performance to the region. Why would that affect GPS and WiFi? Do they have specific region variants?

Cheers,
R2D2



sticking to a "gb modem" just to keep everything "gb" doesnt make sense to me... the modem is seperate to the rom and logically should be treated independantly.

the modem.bin is region optimised for signal strength, signal lock, tolerance to seeking new towers, wifi hunting strength, gps sensitivity, etc depending on the region and carrier it was made for. if it was a generic modem then it will only behave with generic tolerances, where other modems might be optimised better.  there is no "froyo code" in a modem.bin that makes it any less capable than a "GB" modem.bin.

all it is, is a bunch of software tolerances (specified by samsung specific to the original region and network it was designed for) on how the ROM interacts with the phone's radio hardware.


install a sensitive modem designed for a highly populated area with tons of radio towers, tons of overlapping frequencies, high sensitivity, etc etc, and then using it in NZ where you live with one tower for your whole town, and forcing your phone to sit and 'hunt' for other towers that dont exist, is inefficient use of your hardware and just poor matching of the modem.bin's specificatoins to your actual environment.


by trial and error, one has to find the best modem that performed for your area in terms of hunting for towers, filtering wifi, GPS sensitivity. forums like XDA also assist in confirming other peoples findings as long as they are in countries with similar network setups, then you can use it as a guide as to what modem might be best. people going on about using JP5 for Vodafone NZ are probably saying it for a reason - it probably has just the right amount of radio tower attentuation tolerance, wifi performance and GPS sensitivity that just works here in NZ

same with me, none of the new GB modems had any good performance with telecoms XT - the best performing modems were the ones optimised for the Bell network overseas, just happens to match very well the spec of XT here in NZ, hence, im using a Bell modem - it may be from the "Froyo" era but like i said, the mechanics of it have nothing to do with Froyo or Eclair or GB and everything to do with how it talks to the radiohardware in the SGS.





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  Reply # 478629 7-Jun-2011 17:30 Send private message

lofreq:
sticking to a "gb modem" just to keep everything "gb" doesnt make sense to me...


I wrote a long response about why your comments about regionalisation and carriers have nothing at all to do with GPS and wifi, but in the end it's not the point. The point is your first comment, bolded above.

No, you don't understand why I want the experience to be as vanilla as possible at this moment, that's apparent. That it makes no sense to you doesn't mean that it makes no sense, period. I was looking for input from people here to help me achieve what I desire, not to tell me that it "doesn't make sense".

If you don't wish to help, then I can respect that. If you don't know how, I can respect that too. I could do without the judgement though.

Time to drop this, I think.
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  Reply # 478636 7-Jun-2011 17:52 Send private message

Btw the BUJV3 modem is the stock modem for the BUJV9 Firmware which is the Vodafone Gingerbread firmware afaik. 




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  Reply # 478641 7-Jun-2011 17:58 Send private message

lokhor: Btw the BUJV3 modem is the stock modem for the BUJV9 Firmware which is the Vodafone Gingerbread firmware afaik. 


Interesting.

According to Samfirmware.com, the VFNZ firmware is the one I installed - JVH/JV1/JV1. Maybe there's a newer firmware available?

I'll check.

Thanks and cheers,
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  Reply # 478651 7-Jun-2011 18:35 Send private message

ArtooDetoo:
lofreq:
sticking to a "gb modem" just to keep everything "gb" doesnt make sense to me...


I wrote a long response about why your comments about regionalisation and carriers have nothing at all to do with GPS and wifi, but in the end it's not the point. The point is your first comment, bolded above.

No, you don't understand why I want the experience to be as vanilla as possible at this moment, that's apparent. That it makes no sense to you doesn't mean that it makes no sense, period. I was looking for input from people here to help me achieve what I desire, not to tell me that it "doesn't make sense".

If you don't wish to help, then I can respect that. If you don't know how, I can respect that too. I could do without the judgement though.

Time to drop this, I think.
R2D2




sorry artoo - i didnt mean to come across as judging - just trying to understand your motivations.

is there something beneficial to keeping your setup purely vanilla and all in one package? if so, what is that, as i would like to understand more

and of course, i dont mean to presume that what doesnt make sense to me automatically becomes 'wrong', im certainly not that aloof and i do apologise if it came across that way. it just means, it doesnt make sense to me :) so, im open to learning more about your view, as i would like to understand your motivations - because 1) i would learn something from it 2) it might clarify to me what you are trying to do and how i may be able to assist. if i dont know, of course i will admit, - but im certainly not trying to preach to you.

my intention is to learn, and to help - again, my apologies on coming across the wrong way




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  Reply # 478666 7-Jun-2011 18:55 Send private message

I see the ROM Kitchen (Doc) has got JVH 2.3.3 up on their website now - only beta by the looks of it, so limited options available to cook something up.

http://romkitchen.org/beta/?s=home

Has anyone tried it, haven't seen any talk about it.


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  Reply # 478667 7-Jun-2011 18:57 Send private message

lofreq: sorry artoo - i didnt mean to come across as judging - just trying to understand your motivations.

is there something beneficial to keeping your setup purely vanilla and all in one package? if so, what is that, as i would like to understand more

and of course, i dont mean to presume that what doesnt make sense to me automatically becomes 'wrong', im certainly not that aloof and i do apologise if it came across that way. it just means, it doesnt make sense to me :) so, im open to learning more about your view, as i would like to understand your motivations - because 1) i would learn something from it 2) it might clarify to me what you are trying to do and how i may be able to assist. if i dont know, of course i will admit, - but im certainly not trying to preach to you.

my intention is to learn, and to help - again, my apologies on coming across the wrong way


Well, funny you should ask. Besides the geeks, there's a little-known and quite disinterested group I call "the punter". This group has no interest in what makes a smartphone tick, to the extent that you could fairly describe them as Apple Customers or Potential Apple Customers Who Haven't Been Persuaded To Buy Something Apple-y Just Yet.

The folks in this group don't want to get their hands dirty with flashing and such - they just want it to work and have their friends think they're cool and/or savvy. These people are the ones that ask me how come their Android SuchInSuch X5 doesn't (put faulty function here) and what an utter tool I must be for having encouraged them to believe an Android phone is even better than the magical iPhone.

So I like to know what works, what doesn't and how to make it painless as possible to make the thing as functional as the new Android Punter has a right to expect. That's hard to do if you've never tried it yourself.

So my interest is in the nature of a mixture of mindless curiosity and self-preservation. Laughing

I appreciate the apology, (difficult as it must have been with my motives being so obviously obscure), an in return, I will develop a thicker hide in future. At least I'll try.

Cheers,
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  Reply # 478678 7-Jun-2011 19:15 Send private message

ArtooDetoo:
lofreq: sorry artoo - i didnt mean to come across as judging - just trying to understand your motivations.

is there something beneficial to keeping your setup purely vanilla and all in one package? if so, what is that, as i would like to understand more

and of course, i dont mean to presume that what doesnt make sense to me automatically becomes 'wrong', im certainly not that aloof and i do apologise if it came across that way. it just means, it doesnt make sense to me :) so, im open to learning more about your view, as i would like to understand your motivations - because 1) i would learn something from it 2) it might clarify to me what you are trying to do and how i may be able to assist. if i dont know, of course i will admit, - but im certainly not trying to preach to you.

my intention is to learn, and to help - again, my apologies on coming across the wrong way


Well, funny you should ask. Besides the geeks, there's a little-known and quite disinterested group I call "the punter". This group has no interest in what makes a smartphone tick, to the extent that you could fairly describe them as Apple Customers or Potential Apple Customers Who Haven't Been Persuaded To Buy Something Apple-y Just Yet.

The folks in this group don't want to get their hands dirty with flashing and such - they just want it to work and have their friends think they're cool and/or savvy. These people are the ones that ask me how come their Android SuchInSuch X5 doesn't (put faulty function here) and what an utter tool I must be for having encouraged them to believe an Android phone is even better than the magical iPhone.

So I like to know what works, what doesn't and how to make it painless as possible to make the thing as functional as the new Android Punter has a right to expect. That's hard to do if you've never tried it yourself.

So my interest is in the nature of a mixture of mindless curiosity and self-preservation. Laughing

I appreciate the apology, (difficult as it must have been with my motives being so obviously obscure), an in return, I will develop a thicker hide in future. At least I'll try.

Cheers,
R2D2

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...! i see! i absolutely understand that 'punter' clique that you have described, and now it makes perfect sense. of course they dont care about flashing modems seperate to roms, they dont care for flashing anything at all - after all, "no iphone needs flashing, right?!" ok i get it now.

i have had this conundrum many times, as recently as this afternoon - a friend popped up asking if the phone i keep raving on about was called a galaxyS and that they were going to buy one, because they just got an ipod touch and realised they like using touch screens now instead of their old button-based nokia, and they wanted what i had shown them

and as much as it pained me, i had to recommend them buy an iphone!!!! as much as i love this phone and the community, that person had no interest in tweaking, customising, learning words such as 3e, CWM or Odin - they just wanted what they heard was cool. but that customising and tweaking nature is intrinsic to the android platform - the stock eclair galaxyS experience is as we know terrible compared to stock iphone. i have to admit that the OOBE from apple is still far superior. even stock vanilla GB i consider pretty barebones and unexciting. the only time ive seen something out-of-box that looks slick is the new TW4 launcher and setup on the SGSII - its finally looking like something that can compete without having to tune.

so, i totally hear you. there needs to be a simple one-click method from getting a stock android to something thats gingerbread, custom, and yet all inclusive, stable, and simple as hell to flash. ok - now i understand!!! :D

as with previous posters here also asking about a one-click solution to stock Telecom i9000s, its hard not having a simple build that we can refer them to, where everything works and works well. at that point one almost has to revert to suggesting they sit around and wait for *coff* KIES to deliver them to salvation ;D

if only it were easier! perhaps that ease and un-fragmented eden will only come with IceCreamSandwich... we will have to wait till then!??




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