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Topic # 114613 25-Feb-2013 16:51 Send private message

OK I need some advice here please.

I have 3 outlets around the house. 2 are located in the original part of the house while the 3rd is in the "newer" part of the house (was extended in 1987, original house is from 1910s).

A few days ago I decided that I wanted to use one of the outlets in the old part of the house - where I'm setting up the home office (we recently moved in). Well, it wasn't working (Tried both phone & ADSL).

So I open up the outlet (2 wire) and found the blue/white & white/blue wires on slots 1&4. Is this correct or are these supposed to be on 2&5?

This particular outlet has been installed so that it runs to a wardrobe, then up the wall to the roof space and then towards the other 2 outlets (who are virtually in the same area, give or take 500 mm, but in different rooms.)

I also found heaps of used PTC wiring in the garage (at least 10m) including an old post office outlet with capacitor. No idea where it was used.

So this is what we have:

2 wire that's working (in the newer part of the house):



2 or 3 wire? (older part of the house):





2 wire (that was not working):



So my questions are:

How do I get the outlet to work? What is the correct slot position?

What's the story is the older outlet, in particular with the smaller box underneath it and the cable running on the side?

Any help is appreciated.





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  Reply # 769016 25-Feb-2013 16:57 Send private message

wires should be connected on pins 2 & 5.
here is a web link for you about the pin outs - http://www.telepermit.co.nz/PTC200X12.html

You will have to make sure the wires from the one that is not working go back to a socket that is working, sometimes the wires get cut during renovations so may be going nowhere.

Not sure what the box underneath is, it might just have cable joins in it so you would have to open it and see. the wires out the side look like there are going nowhere and you may be able to just pull them out (hard to tell though from just a photo) maybe the wires out the side used to go to a working jack point and is why that one does not work any more.




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  Reply # 769024 25-Feb-2013 17:06 Send private message

From those pics, one can see that your phone sockets are all daisy-chained together. You won't get the best ADSL performance with this configuration.

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  Reply # 769029 25-Feb-2013 17:18 Send private message

DarthKermit: From those pics, one can see that your phone sockets are all daisy-chained together. You won't get the best ADSL performance with this configuration.


Ummm, not quite correct, if the modem is at the end of the run then no problem as no stub would be in effect.

I suggest you trace though all the wiring to find what is and not connected. I would also replace middle socket with a new 2Wire as the current double wire joint looks dodgy.

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  Reply # 770037 25-Feb-2013 18:31

nzgman: wires should be connected on pins 2 & 5.


Only on the older 3 wire jacks. On 2 wire jacks krone strip 1,2,3 are linked and as are 4,5,6. Rather than chain 2 wires in the same slot use another slot on the same strip. The wires shouldn't be stripped as some look in those shots. The insulation should be left on.

Wiring looks a mess. Is there a combination of cable in walls and surface runs?



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  Reply # 770458 26-Feb-2013 13:35 Send private message

Thanks for the replies.

DarthKermit: You won't get the best ADSL performance with this configuration.


Been using a VFNZ HG556a on both the working outlets, so far I'm happy.




cyril7: I suggest you trace though all the wiring to find what is and not connected.


Ok so since my original post I have found that the white cable seen in the first shot going towards the left has been cut. Is it possible that the outlet that isn't working, was in fact, connected to this? Does that make any sense? Because the cable coming out of the non-working outlet, although I haven't been able to trace it yet, goes in the direction of the cut cable.

If connected correctly, should it have any voltage? I'm getting ~ -48V DC of both the working ones and nothing at all on the other one. 

This is what I found in the garage when we moved in



http://www.generalcable.co.nz/getattachment/01cc6db3-6ce0-4e07-ac65-11a508915595

Bung: Wiring looks a mess. Is there a combination of cable in walls and surface runs?
 

Indeed. The working ones are in wall while the non working one is surface.

cyril7: I would also replace middle socket with a new 2Wire as the current double wire joint looks dodgy.


We're having earthquake repairs/renovations in the near future so I might just replace the whole thing. Cat6 and some sort of a centralised system if possible. 

Anyway, the 3rd outlet is no biggie at the moment. Was more of a convenience thing.





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  Reply # 770462 26-Feb-2013 13:38 Send private message

Hi, 48V DC is what you should get on a on hook line, its the battery volts from the exchange.

Cyril

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