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Topic # 114010 5-Feb-2013 00:13 Send private message

Hey guys during the Sevens i noticed that my Mysky HDI decoder wasn't displaying TV One in 1080i

Im using component-video cables for viewing - Its strange because SD channels are upscaled to 1080i and free-to-air HD(TV One, TV2 & TV3) are downscaled. im stumped

So heres a comparison between FreeviewHD on my laptop(Windows Media Centre DVB-T)



and from MySki at 576p


Is there anyway to get mysky get full HD with component-video cables? or to stop it from down scaling HD Channels to 567p even 720p would be nice

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  Reply # 755859 5-Feb-2013 06:17 Send private message

HDMI has always been required for HD output from a MySky box. Without it you did get a downscaled signal.

I was pretty sure though that the FTA channels weren't downscaled historically.

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  Reply # 756189 5-Feb-2013 17:07 Send private message

Everything is downscaled, except for sport if not through HDMI to my knowledge.

Edit, skys sport channels not downscaled, doesn't matter whats on other channels is downscaled.



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  Reply # 756230 5-Feb-2013 19:10 Send private message

Oh ahhh bugger, so i need a HDMI converter unit thingy?

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  Reply # 756235 5-Feb-2013 19:30 Send private message

A straight out converter won't work.

It has to support HDCP, (think it stands for high definition copy protection).

I think it's the TV that's got to support it.


There is some that claim they'll do it without the tv supporting it. Google something like hdmi coverter With hdcp.
How good they are I don't know.

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  Reply # 756249 5-Feb-2013 19:38 Send private message

And what's more...
By the end of 2013, any HD shows sent out of a MySky box to a TV via component cables will not downscale. You will instead get a black screen.
Welcome to the analogue sunset folks.

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  Reply # 756274 5-Feb-2013 20:26 Send private message

Why aren't you using HDMI on your TV? Presumably if you've got a flat panel TV to take advantage of HD it will have HDMi inputs? There weren't great numbers of HDMI TV's to hit our shores with no DHCP support.

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  Reply # 756331 5-Feb-2013 21:45 Send private message

Jaycar sells an HDCP compliant HDMI to component converter (CAT. NO. AC1605) for $159 that looks like it should do the job. An HDFury2 definitely will (I have one), but will cost more.

However, what's the age, size and spec of the TV in question?

Given that pretty adequate 32" Full HD panels (admittedley off brand) can be had for under $400 in sales, and good larger known brands can be had for around $1,000, you need to weigh up the trade-off. Is it really worth spending hundreds, and faffing around with power adapters and a birds nest of cables etc to tease HD out of a marginal TV?

Unless it's a relatively new good model that you are attached to, or you are desperate for HD and really strapped for cash, I think the economics favour pensioning off the old set to a spare room or getting rid of it. It's likely a better value proposition to put the money you would have to spend on converters towards a new TV instead.

Even the $159 option from Jaycar is darn near half the cost of an OK new off-brand TV in a sale - and that will be fully HDMI/HDCP capable.

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  Reply # 756336 5-Feb-2013 21:58 Send private message

My guess is the OP doesn't have enough HDMI ports on his Tv?

If this is the case I would recommend an HDMI switch rather than a converter to Component as that way your tv will still get the HDCP

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  Reply # 756349 5-Feb-2013 22:13 Send private message

Or... the MySky box is linked to another TV, (other than the main one) via component cables.
Many people still believe that component still = HD.
I'm picking there's more than a few people who are currently disappointed with their setup.



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  Reply # 756355 5-Feb-2013 22:26 Send private message

My TV is connected via HDMI, its my PVR that isnt haha, im a huge sports fan and wanted to back up a few games in HD

guess my best bet is to try Jaycar about the HDCP Converter, don't want to have to purchase another PVR :P

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  Reply # 756440 6-Feb-2013 09:14 Send private message

Cantab151: My TV is connected via HDMI, its my PVR that isnt haha, im a huge sports fan and wanted to back up a few games in HD

guess my best bet is to try Jaycar about the HDCP Converter, don't want to have to purchase another PVR :P


I don't really understand what you setup is. So now you're asking how to copy content from MySky to another device in HD?

The solution for your problem is a HD Fury IV - either US$399 or $499 depending on the model you want.

Jaycar don't do HDCP strippers, they only do a HDMI -> component adapter which is no good without a HD Fury. Rather than buying two adapters however you may as well just buy the HD Fury IV by itself.

And is is worth noting that you are also breaking the law as format shifting of video content is illegal in NZ..




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  Reply # 756496 6-Feb-2013 11:46 Send private message

Okay thanks for the heads up i might give it a miss then :(

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  Reply # 756509 6-Feb-2013 12:29 Send private message

sbiddle:

Jaycar don't do HDCP strippers, they only do a HDMI -> component adapter which is no good without a HD Fury. Rather than buying two adapters however you may as well just buy the HD Fury IV by itself.



Note quite, the HDFury and the Jaycar converter essentially do the same thing, take an HDMI signal in one side and spit a component signal out the other side. So, getting both the Jaycar and the Fury would be pointless. You need something that can copy the component signal once you have it.

However, like sbiddle, I'm also now thoroughly confused as to what your setup actually is. I read the first post as saying that you have a (presumably older) TV and a MySky that could only connect over component, and couldn't get an HD signal over the connection. Hence the solutions I offered.

It now appears you have an HD capable TV, with a MySky and a PVR with the TV connected via HDMI (to what), also connected to a PVR (what type, and can it even cope with an HD input from an external source) and also connected (somehow?) to the MySky. It's also no longer clear what you are trying to achieve?

Are you trying to watch what's on the MySky on the TV, transfer programming from the MySky to the PVR, deal with the fact that you need connect more things to the TV over HDMI than the TV has HDMI ports, or something else entirely? It's kind of hard for people to offer useful help and comments if you aren't clear about what kit you have, what the problem is, and what you are trying to achieve.
 

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  Reply # 756543 6-Feb-2013 13:36 Send private message

JimmyH:
sbiddle:

Jaycar don't do HDCP strippers, they only do a HDMI -> component adapter which is no good without a HD Fury. Rather than buying two adapters however you may as well just buy the HD Fury IV by itself.



Note quite, the HDFury and the Jaycar converter essentially do the same thing, take an HDMI signal in one side and spit a component signal out the other side. So, getting both the Jaycar and the Fury would be pointless. You need something that can copy the component signal once you have it. 
 


The original HDMI fury was just a HDMI stripper. newer ones will do HDMI to various other outputs.

The Jaycar box won't strip HDCP, so is no good on any HDMI output that has DHCP, the solution for HDCP is either an original HDFury (since you can pick them up relatively cheaply) and a Jaycar component converter, or a newer HDFury that does HDCP stripping and component output.

Without knowing what the OP actually wants to do though, it is hard to recommend a solution.

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  Reply # 756656 6-Feb-2013 18:33 Send private message

sbiddle:
JimmyH:
sbiddle:

Jaycar don't do HDCP strippers, they only do a HDMI -> component adapter which is no good without a HD Fury. Rather than buying two adapters however you may as well just buy the HD Fury IV by itself.



Note quite, the HDFury and the Jaycar converter essentially do the same thing, take an HDMI signal in one side and spit a component signal out the other side. So, getting both the Jaycar and the Fury would be pointless. You need something that can copy the component signal once you have it. 
 


The original HDMI fury was just a HDMI stripper. newer ones will do HDMI to various other outputs.

The Jaycar box won't strip HDCP, so is no good on any HDMI output that has DHCP, the solution for HDCP is either an original HDFury (since you can pick them up relatively cheaply) and a Jaycar component converter, or a newer HDFury that does HDCP stripping and component output.

Without knowing what the OP actually wants to do though, it is hard to recommend a solution.


I'm unclear why DHCP is being referenced - I thought that was a network configuration protocol?

Not sure about the Jaycar box. I read the specs for a colleague at work who wanted to integrate it into their setup, and recall that it it appeared to be HDCP compliant - designed to take an HDMI lead in one side and, even when HDCP had been applied, spit an unprotected component signal out the other side. I can always ask them whether they bought & tried it tomorrow if it's of particular interest? In any event, that's definitely what my unit (the HDFury v2) does.

Then you either connect it to the TV or the HD recording device. Not sure how the OP plans to record, if indeed that's what he wants to do, as he references a PVR. I'm not aware of any proper consumer PVRs that will record an HD signal over component. A PC with something like the Hauppauge Colossus connected will record such a signal. However, of the OP means a HTPC instead of an actual PVR, he's going the long way about it. A simple $69 USB TV stick will plug into a PC and let TVNZ & TV3 be easily recorded in HD and free of encumbrances.

Which brings us all back to the issue of not being sure of what he's really trying to do.

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