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  Reply # 536571 22-Oct-2011 21:30 Send private message

joker97: for you, iphone 4s. hands down. don't ask why ...


totally agree based on the information provided.. 




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  Reply # 536631 23-Oct-2011 08:45 Send private message

tdgeek: While the iPhone4 is a great phone, the Galaxy s2 is a newer phone with dual core and bigger screen. As the 4S is coming, the iPhone 4 is cheap at $899 />


You and I must have way different ideas as to what is cheap $899 for an obsolete fone is way too expensive..




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  Reply # 536640 23-Oct-2011 09:17 Send private message

old3eyes:
tdgeek: While the iPhone4 is a great phone, the Galaxy s2 is a newer phone with dual core and bigger screen. As the 4S is coming, the iPhone 4 is cheap at $899 />


You and I must have way different ideas as to what is cheap $899 for an obsolete fone is way too expensive..


Fair comment, let me clarify.


The iPhone4 is not obsolete, its the current model. Although, having said that, a lowly 8Gb isn't much when it was stock up to 32Gb and stock up to 64Gb in the 4S which will sell at the same usual pricing. So, your right it isn't cheap by way of the 8Gb capability, but its cheap compared to $1123 for the 16Gb version.


But cheap is in the eye of the beholder, $899 for a 4 is cheap to me, as is the recently reduced price for the S2, that is also cheap, and higher specs, so better value if you prefer Android. If you prefer iOS where you can use the latest version, you can use a cheapoer Apple phone with the latest OS if thats your preference.       

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  Reply # 536854 24-Oct-2011 09:35 Send private message

If you're asking the question, the answer's probably an iPhone.  It offers a polished, well-rounded product which integrates with a slick, well-concieved cloud service, key benefits are: the sharpest, clearest display; intuitive, consistent, fluid interface; a vast range of quality-checked, secure & easily available apps; hassle-free information management - no files to load or save and a cloud service which makes your information available wherever you are.

Android, on the other hand, has followed the Windows path - it has been purposefully par-baked to require you to tinker which, if you're so inclined, makes you feel a sense of achievement though offers loads of choices even if they amount to little consumer benefit.

The advice has to be - use them all and then decide but there are some general fallucies/marketing hype to make you aware of as features aren't always benefits:
Thanks to Apple's full ownership of the product and design choices:  iPhone4S not only has a dual-core CPU but also has dual-core graphics which comprehensively outperfoms all Android phones but more importantly Apple actually uses it to achieve a fluid interface, pre-Android4 phones don't hence the lag; the iPhone4S has, an allegedly, lower-clocked, dual-core CPU and half the memory of the latest Android phones but has a much faster memory connection so the user actually feels the benefit, Android doesn't; thanks to iPhone muting the multi-tasking and disallowing JAVA its resources are focussed on the job in hand and go many times further hence iPhone4 (& 4S?) feel faster; iPhone not having expandable flash storage sounds like a disadvantage but this means it doesn't require a file-system to manage your information which means the iCloud service just makes that information available - wherever you are with no interaction at all.  Thanks to iCloud stacks of local storage isn't really required.  Also, if Vodafone maintain their current packages, iPhones get 3GB of data/month even on the basic package.

Personally I'm holding out for the iPhone 4S.  It's not that the A5 chip comprehensively out-performs the new slew of Android phones but Apple has the ability to translate technology to customer benefits so the phone doesn't just run benchmarks (much) quicker it actually does more.  The new voice interface is a prime example.

Happy hunting and remember, regardless of your choice, all gadgets are good gadgets.

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  Reply # 536861 24-Oct-2011 10:25 Send private message

The first decision to make is to tinker or not, forget lack of knowledge or know how as these are easily learned. If you do not want to tinker the choice is easy Apple, and then i would say 4s, for two reasons, you can never have enough storage (and at least in NZ iCloud is restrictive due to our data caps) and secondly the improved camera (I'm only speaking from hearsay with no real experience on the 4s camera but if it is even as good as the S2 camera you will never use a standard camera again)

If you could be convinced to tinker then my vote firmly goes toward the Galaxy S2, (Yes i am a overly biased S2 owner :P). There are numerous online resources to step through re-ROMing it and there is a number of developers coming up with some nicely packaged and modified rom's. I don't care for heavily themed roms preferring a standard android/samsung looking but modified experience which I have a number to choose from which all offer far greater user experience albeit in the same fashion as Samsung intended.

What puts the S2 ahead of the Galaxy Nexus is the 6+ months of unofficial development and finetuning that has already gone into it. I am confident that if Samsung doesn't offer a ICS/4.0 upgrade upon release that the developers will have it up and running in a short timeframe.

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  Reply # 536885 24-Oct-2011 11:27 Send private message

if you are getting android phones, please dont think that you automatically need custom ROMs. I personally preferred my stock touchwiz on sgs2. most people do not care about the regular incremental update.





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  Reply # 536886 24-Oct-2011 11:29 Send private message

McDave:
Thanks to Apple's full ownership of the product and design choices:  iPhone4S not only has a dual-core CPU but also has dual-core graphics which comprehensively outperfoms all Android phones but more importantly


You haven't really quoted a link, the Nexus Prime and GS2 both have quad core graphics and on any browser that's not the stock, the sunspider tests are a lot better

Unfortunately, since they are two different eco systems, it's hard to compare real world GPU performance.  I just wish more IOS and Android games and vice versa came out between both platforms, with benchmarks.

Maybe Quake 3 benchmarks on both would give a good result




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  Reply # 536891 24-Oct-2011 11:40 Send private message

Sorta on/off topic.

Aside from most of us having a bias towards Android or iOS, can anyone feedback on my question?

Hows does stock Android compare to custom ROM Android? What extra do you get?

How does Jailbroken iOS compare to the customisation that Android already provides?

Tks all

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  Reply # 536943 24-Oct-2011 14:49 Send private message

In my case, I have gone down the Checkrom path which is virtually indifferent to standard gingerbread/Samsung touchwiz. Where it differs is it runs faster, adds a few tweaks like volume button for camera, 5 buttons in dock etc.

Also these custom rom's can be fine tuned by mixing and matching kernals and modems. I have seen massive (as in 50%+) improve in battery life over stock while retaining full factory functionality

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  Reply # 536948 24-Oct-2011 15:20 Send private message

Wade: In my case, I have gone down the Checkrom path which is virtually indifferent to standard gingerbread/Samsung touchwiz. Where it differs is it runs faster, adds a few tweaks like volume button for camera, 5 buttons in dock etc. 

Also these custom rom's can be fine tuned by mixing and matching kernals and modems. I have seen massive (as in 50%+) improve in battery life over stock while retaining full factory functionality 


I've done exactly the same with the 5 button ADW/Cyanogen taskbar and changing to a physical camera button.  Have you got the volume button as unlock screen too?  That's probably the change I've found most useful


To the original poster, if you drop your phone, check this video(to all those who don't like seeing hardware being dropped...don't watch it.  I cringed at each test..I'm lucky I haven't dropped my iPhone 4 or Galaxy S 2 yet, in fact I never dropped my Galaxy S original either, touch wood!)

 
 




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  Reply # 536960 24-Oct-2011 16:28 Send private message

@ vinnieg

No haven't come across vol lock screen option. I am using jkay's lockscreen as in the one with 6 swipe bar things like in froyo, is magic as it gives you instant access to dialer/flashlight/camera/messaging/mail and normal unlock

In practice it is one of the most functional mods possible imho!

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  Reply # 536967 24-Oct-2011 17:30 Send private message

The problem with these threads (as noticed in the past) people argue between eachover on choice, and most of the choices are bias - I am just going to be posting on what others think and not myself to avoid that.

When customers come in wanting a new mobile, I ask them what they want. Most people just need something to Call / Text and anything else is a bonus. The Samsung E3210 does all of that, and it's a basic phone, but then it's a whole self image thing - what can this phone do that will simplify my life?

I have found of all the phones we sell, the Samsung Galaxy SII is one of our best sellers, people say it's simple to use, has a very nice camera and also has a good price point for the features it has, if you have never owned a iPhone / iPod Touch you will not really benifit from spending extra to go towards a iOS device since with any phone, you will have to learn it anyway.

Android almost has the same sort of apps as iOS, and also you can do quite a bit more with it in terms of customising it to your needs, plus also Samsung are good with keeping their phones up to date.

Windows Phone 7 is alright, but you can't really customise it to the same degree as Android or iOS, plus there isn't as many apps for it and doesn't really have a image in NZ - alough some people do like it if they only really want Texting, Talking and Email / Interwebz.

For price and features, the Samsung Galaxy S2 is your best buy, it's strong on features and has very good specs + the best thing it should be supported for a number of years yet. You won't really benefit from going towards iOS since with any phone you will have to learn it anyway.

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  Reply # 538942 29-Oct-2011 07:19 Send private message

vinnieg:
McDave:
Thanks to Apple's full ownership of the product and design choices:  iPhone4S not only has a dual-core CPU but also has dual-core graphics which comprehensively outperfoms all Android phones but more importantly


You haven't really quoted a link, the Nexus Prime and GS2 both have quad core graphics and on any browser that's not the stock, the sunspider tests are a lot better

Unfortunately, since they are two different eco systems, it's hard to compare real world GPU performance.  I just wish more IOS and Android games and vice versa came out between both platforms, with benchmarks.

Maybe Quake 3 benchmarks on both would give a good result


Sorry I thought this was common knowledge...http://tiny.cc/le9va.  I can only find old references to Quake 3 which put a jailbroken 2008 Gen1/2 iPod Touch at 25FPS and a Galaxy I at around 40, no A4 or A5 based figures though.

When it comes to graphics, Cambridge is good but Oxford is better though, back on-topic, why the Galaxy Nexus (allegedly) drops back to an OMAP4460 with it's (comparatively) choked memory bus and weaker single-core SGX540 is bizarre.  Apparently it's due to Exynos compatibility issues - when is a platform, not a platform?

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  Reply # 538943 29-Oct-2011 07:35 Send private message

vinnieg:
Wade: In my case, I have gone down the Checkrom path which is virtually indifferent to standard gingerbread/Samsung touchwiz. Where it differs is it runs faster, adds a few tweaks like volume button for camera, 5 buttons in dock etc. 

Also these custom rom's can be fine tuned by mixing and matching kernals and modems. I have seen massive (as in 50%+) improve in battery life over stock while retaining full factory functionality 


I've done exactly the same with the 5 button ADW/Cyanogen taskbar and changing to a physical camera button.  Have you got the volume button as unlock screen too?  That's probably the change I've found most useful


To the original poster, if you drop your phone, check this video(to all those who don't like seeing hardware being dropped...don't watch it.  I cringed at each test..I'm lucky I haven't dropped my iPhone 4 or Galaxy S 2 yet, in fact I never dropped my Galaxy S original either, touch wood!)

 
 


Damn - there goes the upgrade path for switchers to the 4S!  

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  Reply # 539019 29-Oct-2011 15:34 Send private message

McDave:
vinnieg:
McDave:
Thanks to Apple's full ownership of the product and design choices:  iPhone4S not only has a dual-core CPU but also has dual-core graphics which comprehensively outperfoms all Android phones but more importantly


You haven't really quoted a link, the Nexus Prime and GS2 both have quad core graphics and on any browser that's not the stock, the sunspider tests are a lot better

Unfortunately, since they are two different eco systems, it's hard to compare real world GPU performance.  I just wish more IOS and Android games and vice versa came out between both platforms, with benchmarks.

Maybe Quake 3 benchmarks on both would give a good result


Sorry I thought this was common knowledge...http://tiny.cc/le9va.  I can only find old references to Quake 3 which put a jailbroken 2008 Gen1/2 iPod Touch at 25FPS and a Galaxy I at around 40, no A4 or A5 based figures though.

When it comes to graphics, Cambridge is good but Oxford is better though, back on-topic, why the Galaxy Nexus (allegedly) drops back to an OMAP4460 with it's (comparatively) choked memory bus and weaker single-core SGX540 is bizarre.  Apparently it's due to Exynos compatibility issues - when is a platform, not a platform?


I don't think the SGX540 is a terrible choice as it's main weakness was being paired with single channel ram and having a low clock speed. The OMAP 4460 runs the SGX540 @ 384mhz and has Dual Chanel LPDDR2 memory so will likely perform quite well.  




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