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Topic # 93878 1-Dec-2011 08:24 Send private message

I read some disturbing articles concerning Carrier IQ and their attempt to silence an app developer.

It makes interesting reading and viewing and I wonder what the Data collection and usage legislation here in New Zealand would make of it.


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http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/11/rootkit-brouhaha/

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11/30/smartphone_spying_app/

http://www.xda-developers.com/android/the-rootkit-of-all-evil-ciq/



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  Reply # 552180 1-Dec-2011 11:28 Send private message

From reading the coverage on Wired

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/11/secret-software-logging-video/

My question is whether you need to root the phone and install a custom rom to disable it?

This should be massive news, some commenters have speculated that it is funded through the NSA.

Time to buy a tinfoil hat.

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  Reply # 552183 1-Dec-2011 11:33 Send private message

http://www.carrieriq.com/Media_Alert_User_Experience_Matters_11_16_11.pdf

Love it... the guy who found CIQ shows clearly in his videos that it is logging key strokes etc.




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  Reply # 552187 1-Dec-2011 11:42 Send private message

But, but... Apart from the obvious "it was not disclosed and I didn't opt in", how is this different from the telemetry data other companies collect, such as Microsoft that collects from their Windows users and Windows Phone users? They monitor everything, from which functions are being used, how many keys are being typed, where people click, etc.

Obviously all non-identifiable, and used to decide where to improve features, etc...





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  Reply # 552192 1-Dec-2011 11:50 Send private message

Lifehacker have an article on how to remove the software, one is root your phone and install a new rom, the other is a for pay app that can remove it, hopefully a free version shall appear at some stage.

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  Reply # 552196 1-Dec-2011 11:52 Send private message

Does MS log keystrokes? There is a video showing the logging and there are log statements with the callee of carrieriq and is logging the keys.

Also MS asks you before sending plus it leaves via tcp/ip so can proxy or firewall it. I'm guessing that Carrier IQ leaves via baseband so no way to see what is going or when etc.

I have asked VF, 2D, Telecom and TC if they have ever shipped Carrier IQ and TC is only reply thus far and said they haven't shipped any rootkits on phones.

Come on NZ Cellcos step up and answer the Question have you in the past, present or future shipped Carrier IQ or similar on any of your phones?

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  Reply # 552202 1-Dec-2011 11:57 Send private message

Microsoft software don't log keystrokes. They log utilisation. Different things.





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  Reply # 552206 1-Dec-2011 12:06 Send private message

I would be interested if anyone finds it on their phones. I just ran the apk and there is nothing on my phone. I am rooted, with custom ROM.

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  Reply # 552232 1-Dec-2011 12:42 Send private message

freitasm: But, but... Apart from the obvious "it was not disclosed and I didn't opt in", how is this different from the telemetry data other companies collect, such as Microsoft that collects from their Windows users and Windows Phone users? They monitor everything, from which functions are being used, how many keys are being typed, where people click, etc.

Obviously all non-identifiable, and used to decide where to improve features, etc...


I'm sorry, what? "where people click" (aka. keys pressed) != "non-identifiable"

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  Reply # 552237 1-Dec-2011 12:47 Send private message

codyc1515:
freitasm: But, but... Apart from the obvious "it was not disclosed and I didn't opt in", how is this different from the telemetry data other companies collect, such as Microsoft that collects from their Windows users and Windows Phone users? They monitor everything, from which functions are being used, how many keys are being typed, where people click, etc.

Obviously all non-identifiable, and used to decide where to improve features, etc...


I'm sorry, what? "where people click" (aka. keys pressed) != "non-identifiable"


Not sure what you are asking but you can click with a mouse, so no keys used.


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  Reply # 552250 1-Dec-2011 13:14 Send private message

kiwitrc: I would be interested if anyone finds it on their phones. I just ran the apk and there is nothing on my phone. I am rooted, with custom ROM.


I've just run this on my Lg Optimus 2x, import from Hong Kong running the stock gingerbread update from Lg, not rooted and it has come up clean.

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  Reply # 552253 1-Dec-2011 13:16 Send private message

Has anyone seen any reports outside the US?

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  Reply # 552265 1-Dec-2011 13:37 Send private message

codyc1515:
freitasm: But, but... Apart from the obvious "it was not disclosed and I didn't opt in", how is this different from the telemetry data other companies collect, such as Microsoft that collects from their Windows users and Windows Phone users? They monitor everything, from which functions are being used, how many keys are being typed, where people click, etc.

Obviously all non-identifiable, and used to decide where to improve features, etc...


I'm sorry, what? "where people click" (aka. keys pressed) != "non-identifiable"


Keys pressed are mainly those related to features, such as ALT-F4, or ALT-F S (for file save, etc). They need to know what features people use, how they get there, etc. It's all about improving usability.






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  Reply # 552325 1-Dec-2011 16:44 Send private message

http://techliberty.org.nz/is-your-mobile-company-spying-on-you/

VF, TC and Telecom phones look clear and still waiting on 2D to response.

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  Reply # 552412 1-Dec-2011 21:13 Send private message

Running a vanilla SGS II (Android 2.3.3) and had a good search through it earlier today after reading about CIQ. Appears to be nothing on my phone. I'm suspecting it's an issue in the US.




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  Reply # 552432 1-Dec-2011 22:19 Send private message

OK... soo lets say this isn't implemented thru Telcos here.
What chance is there of this happening when you roam to the USA via either a SIM update or by inserting a local pre-pay SIM????

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