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  Reply # 748628 22-Jan-2013 09:30 Send private message

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freitasm: What kind of "moral grounds" does he have to justify replacing the ads showing on my web pages with his own, depriving myself and my family of my income?

He's not sticking it to the big man only, he's crippling the revenue people make for a living, you know?

From what I've read he won't be replacing any ads on any websites - only search pages from the major players (Google, Yahoo, etc), and possibly only search pages that contain links to piracy sites. So you can make up your own mind about "moral grounds" but at least he won't be taking anything from sites like Geekzone that rely on the advertising revenue. I can't remember where I read this - I think it was either on Ars or Wired.


If that is correct it makes a whole lot more sense. Added bold for context.

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  Reply # 748630 22-Jan-2013 09:33 Send private message

Speaking of Ars - they've done an in-depth look at the Mega encryption which echoes some of the concerns here.

http://arstechnica.com/business/2013/01/megabad-a-quick-look-at-the-state-of-megas-encryption/

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  Reply # 748633 22-Jan-2013 09:34 Send private message

amanzi:
freitasm: What kind of "moral grounds" does he have to justify replacing the ads showing on my web pages with his own, depriving myself and my family of my income?

He's not sticking it to the big man only, he's crippling the revenue people make for a living, you know?


From what I've read he won't be replacing any ads on any websites - only search pages from the major players (Google, Yahoo, etc), and possibly only search pages that contain links to piracy sites. So you can make up your own mind about "moral grounds" but at least he won't be taking anything from sites like Geekzone that rely on the advertising revenue. I can't remember where I read this - I think it was either on Ars or Wired.


I'm sorry.. WTF? "Won't be replacing any ads on any websites - only search pages from the major players (Google, Yahoo etc)"?

Clearly you and I have a different opinion on what a "Website" is.

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  Reply # 748644 22-Jan-2013 09:42 Send private message

amanzi: Speaking of Ars - they've done an in-depth look at the Mega encryption which echoes some of the concerns here.

http://arstechnica.com/business/2013/01/megabad-a-quick-look-at-the-state-of-megas-encryption/


Someone gets hold of your password, you're toast. No second line of defense.





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  Reply # 748646 22-Jan-2013 09:47 Send private message

Talkiet: I'm sorry.. WTF? "Won't be replacing any ads on any websites - only search pages from the major players (Google, Yahoo etc)"?

Clearly you and I have a different opinion on what a "Website" is.

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What I meant is that websites (like Geekzone) that display ads won't have them replaced by this mega client.

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  Reply # 748647 22-Jan-2013 09:49 Send private message

amanzi:
Talkiet: I'm sorry.. WTF? "Won't be replacing any ads on any websites - only search pages from the major players (Google, Yahoo etc)"?

Clearly you and I have a different opinion on what a "Website" is.

Cheers - N


What I meant is that websites (like Geekzone) that display ads won't have them replaced by this mega client.


I know that's what you meant, but the logic appears to be that it's ok to steal adviews from big players, just not small ones.

Pray tell - when is a site large enough that they deserve to have their ad revenue stolen?

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  Reply # 748648 22-Jan-2013 09:49 Send private message

amanzi:
Talkiet: I'm sorry.. WTF? "Won't be replacing any ads on any websites - only search pages from the major players (Google, Yahoo etc)"?

Clearly you and I have a different opinion on what a "Website" is.

Cheers - N


What I meant is that websites (like Geekzone) that display ads won't have them replaced by this mega client.


What a can of worms. There are enough hijacking applications/toolbars running around without this half "legal/moral" stand. Open this and any malware writer will have a justification.

And if you install an application that changes your web pages like that, what else couldn't it do? Safe computing? Don't blame Microsoft for the crap you install.





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  Reply # 748649 22-Jan-2013 09:51 Send private message

It's this kind of application that makes Microsoft move faster to "Store" apps, and Apple to close the gap between Mac OS X and iOS walled garden app style.





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  Reply # 748651 22-Jan-2013 09:56 Send private message

Talkiet: I know that's what you meant, but the logic appears to be that it's ok to steal adviews from big players, just not small ones.


Yep - that appears to be their logic.

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  Reply # 748656 22-Jan-2013 10:06 Send private message

freitasm: Someone gets hold of your password, you're toast. No second line of defense.


I guess they had to make trade-offs to get their preferred balance between security and usability. The biggest issue I can see is that they don't tell you when signing up that your initial password is also the one and only key to get your data back. If they made this clear, and encouraged users to make really long pass phrases, then it would go a long way to making this much more secure for their users.

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  Reply # 748657 22-Jan-2013 10:08 Send private message

amanzi:
Talkiet: I know that's what you meant, but the logic appears to be that it's ok to steal adviews from big players, just not small ones.

Yep - that appears to be their logic.

From big players who are earning money from search results composed of infringing content. That is the logic and moral justification.

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  Reply # 748659 22-Jan-2013 10:11 Send private message

gzt:
amanzi:
Talkiet: I know that's what you meant, but the logic appears to be that it's ok to steal adviews from big players, just not small ones.


Yep - that appears to be their logic.

Big players who are earning money from search results composed of infringing content.


If it's not in fact the worst argument ever, then it's close. I've seen people discussing here how to setup VPNs to get around geoblocks etc.

And I'll argue any day of the week that Google has at least some uses that don't relate to copyright infringement.

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  Reply # 748663 22-Jan-2013 10:19 Send private message

I think you missed the part where ads are only presented for search results with infringing content. If that is the case it makes more sense. In any case I agree it is very far from a watertight argument but it is still notable.

On the topic of search results, I just searched for "britney spears torrent": https://www.google.com/search?&q=britney+spears+torrent. Apparently she is actually a recording artist and not just a social engineering lol.

There are no search result advertisements presented by google at all, at least from my geo. Interesting.

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  Reply # 748664 22-Jan-2013 10:20 Send private message

Talkiet: If it's not in fact the worst argument ever, then it's close. I've seen people discussing here how to setup VPNs to get around geoblocks etc.

And I'll argue any day of the week that Google has at least some uses that don't relate to copyright infringement.

Cheers - N


I'm really not defending this Mega-ad-swapper-thingy, but I think what the previous poster was referring to, is that Dotcom said they would only swap ads on search result pages that were specifically relating to copyright infringement.

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  Reply # 748665 22-Jan-2013 10:21 Send private message

IIRC Google does not show ads in search results that could lead to pirated content because they don't want to be said to be profiting from digital piracy.





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