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  Reply # 256559 17-Sep-2009 16:12 Send private message

Tivo + Telecom = Fail !

Write / email or phone-in and voice your displeasure ! No point complaining here - you are only preaching to the converted !




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  Reply # 256589 17-Sep-2009 17:42 Send private message

Just a thought,
Does Telecom have enough bandwidth to stream live TV.
Some of my mates are with telecom for broadband and are saying that since they bought in the unlimited plan again, everything has been going really slow at night time lately on their xtra connection and they aren't on the unlimited plan - just normal plans.

Or will they shape it so Tivo users get the best out of it, It would be hard to stream live TV the way it is now..

I certainly don't want to go back to telecom so it looks like Tivo is out for me as well..

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  Reply # 256600 17-Sep-2009 18:33 Send private message

cafeg:

I certainly don't want to go back to telecom so it looks like Tivo is out for me as well..


what a narroww minded point of view .

i have misky and the content on demand is at the bottom of our watch list   we dont have time to watch endless movies. so to base a descision on a tiny point of the tivos features is indicating a rant at telecom not the positives of the tivo.
remember when vf gave away caller id , telecom were forced to change from a $3.0 a month charge to free . now every telco has caller id for free. by having telcom behind the tivo it will have the effect that other isp,s will want some of the action . end result every one will benifit .
a recent sky survey concluded that of a 300 odd  person sample over 3/4 of the programmes watched on sky were freeview and of that sample 76% aprox  watched live programming.
so it just shows that it is not the technology  that sells the product but the content itself.
i my self like the fact that i can time shift one programme and watch another.
by xmas there will be at least  five dual tuner pvr,s with the ability to stream content.
if only one has an arrangement for free downloads who are the other pvr suppliers going to align with ?
on thing is for sure more competition means better pricing .

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  Reply # 256602 17-Sep-2009 18:37 Send private message

Something else to note.. Just because Prime is on DVB-T, doesn't mean it will be available on Tivo.. In fact, I have only seen TV1, TV2 and TV3 mentioned as being available on Tivo.

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  Reply # 256603 17-Sep-2009 18:41 Send private message

"TiVo is compatible with Freeview|HD® broadcasts which means you can also receive all the free-to-air digital terrestrial channels including TV One, TV2, TV3, C4, Maori Television, TVNZ6, TVNZ7, TV3Plus1, Prime and all other Freeview|HD® channels as they launch."

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  Reply # 256605 17-Sep-2009 18:44 Send private message

ZollyMonsta: Something else to note.. Just because Prime is on DVB-T, doesn't mean it will be available on Tivo.. In fact, I have only seen TV1, TV2 and TV3 mentioned as being available on Tivo.

the tivo is a freeview aproved set top box, which means all the freeview channells will be available .
what may be under debate is the epg data . still doesnt mean you cant watch prime .


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  Reply # 256606 17-Sep-2009 18:45 Send private message

Ok.. I stand corrected... as you were.. :) True about the EPG though.

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  Reply # 256607 17-Sep-2009 18:49 Send private message

wiredr:
ZollyMonsta: Something else to note.. Just because Prime is on DVB-T, doesn't mean it will be available on Tivo.. In fact, I have only seen TV1, TV2 and TV3 mentioned as being available on Tivo.

the tivo is a freeview aproved set top box, which means all the freeview channells will be available .
what may be under debate is the epg data . still doesnt mean you cant watch prime .



Tivo is actually not Freeview approved and never will be.

It can obviously pick up all Freeview|HD programming but will never be approved since it doesn't support MHEG5 and follow the DRM restrictions that Fereeview place on devices wanting approval.



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  Reply # 256609 17-Sep-2009 18:51 Send private message

Yes, I totally agree with you there about MySky.
Programing is rubbish lately and playing a movie on sky movies 1 then restarting it again on sky movies 2 straight after doesn't give more variety.
We were just talking about it here last night and yes - we watch more free to air TV on sky than sky content.
But MySky hdi is crystal clear which is a point in its favour.
Cost is a bad point right now. We are paying $94.00 a month right now for basic, sky movies and sky sport.

I am thinking on getting a freeview PVR such as the latest homecast one which will let us do all the things MySky does now.

Telecoms cost is something that is also turning me away from them, The top plan @ $79.95 a month for 40 gig with 2cents a meg or $20.40 a gig for overages doesn't suit us at all. We use around 50 to 60 gig a month here and xnet is only $1 a gig or $60 for that, It would be $487.95 a month for the same amount at telecom.

So sorry unless telecom bring in a cheaper plan or Tivo sides with another provider as well I'm still out and its not being narrow minded - I just can't afford $487.95 a month for broadband !!


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  Reply # 256613 17-Sep-2009 19:03 Send private message

freitasm:

"What if I am not a Telecom customer? What do I get?
A non-Telecom broadband customer can buy a TiVo media device and they can enjoy all features of the TiVo except the broadband content and services.

This basic service includes the 14-day on-screen TV guide (Electronic Programme Guide), the ability to view the Freeview|HD® channels and core DVR features of the TiVo media device."

I guess that's why they removed some people from the beta trials.

Not happy. Already a crappy service.


So where are they going to source a 14 day EPG when freeview only have 7-8 days data (and usually less than this for Prime).




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  Reply # 256615 17-Sep-2009 19:12 Send private message

cafeg: 
Telecoms cost is something that is also turning me away from them, The top plan @ $79.95 a month for 40 gig with 2cents a meg or $20.40 a gig for overages doesn't suit us at all. We use around 50 to 60 gig a month here and xnet is only $1 a gig or $60 for that, It would be $487.95 a month for the same amount at telecom.





Look at bigtime that is offered by Telecom - it is significantly cheaper. 




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  Reply # 256617 17-Sep-2009 19:21 Send private message

openmedia:
So where are they going to source a 14 day EPG when freeview only have 7-8 days data (and usually less than this for Prime).


Probably an EPG monkey sitting there and manually entering all the EPG data.  They'll deliver it over the internet connection rather than use EPG that's in-band.

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  Reply # 256618 17-Sep-2009 19:32 Send private message

wiredr: i have misky and the content on demand is at the bottom of our watch list   we dont have time to watch endless movies. so to base a descision on a tiny point of the tivos features is indicating a rant at telecom not the positives of the tivo.
remember when vf gave away caller id , telecom were forced to change from a $3.0 a month charge to free . now every telco has caller id for free. by having telcom behind the tivo it will have the effect that other isp,s will want some of the action . end result every one will benifit .
a recent sky survey concluded that of a 300 odd  person sample over 3/4 of the programmes watched on sky were freeview and of that sample 76% aprox  watched live programming.
so it just shows that it is not the technology  that sells the product but the content itself.
i my self like the fact that i can time shift one programme and watch another.
by xmas there will be at least  five dual tuner pvr,s with the ability to stream content.
if only one has an arrangement for free downloads who are the other pvr suppliers going to align with ?
on thing is for sure more competition means better pricing .

All you're saying here is that Tivo is going to deliver the same as other (Freeview) STBs.  There is no point of difference unless you're a Telecom subscriber and can receive the extra broadband offerings.

Actually, that's not quite correct - the point of difference is that if you're not on Telecom, as well as paying for items such as VOD you'll also being chewing into your data cap.  A scenario like this just doesn't make economic sense for people not on a Telecom plan.  It'd be far cheaper to keep watching Freeview and renting DVDs or stick with MySky.

Many people are not Telecom customers for many reasons.  So, with no point of difference apart from a probable increase in expenses for the 'privilege' of watching an incomplete Tivo service, why would any of these people switch to a company they don't want to be a part of?




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  Reply # 256624 17-Sep-2009 19:56 Send private message

cokemaster:





Look at bigtime that is offered by Telecom - it is significantly cheaper. 


Yes, and there is a lot of discussion about bigtimes speed and how its not really unlimited on the telecom forum as well..

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  Reply # 256627 17-Sep-2009 20:00 Send private message

Dratsab:
Many people are not Telecom customers for many reasons.



Many more are Telecom customers though




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