Geekzone: technology news, blogs, forums
Guest
Welcome Guest.
You haven't logged in yet. If you don't have an account you can register now.
Buying anything on Amazon? Please use the Geekzone Amazon aff link.




1569 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 311


Topic # 66096 12-Aug-2010 08:25 Send private message

I note the new TiVo ads on TV do not mention Telecom at all, and in fact now state (in very small writing) that Caspa and the EPG are now available through any ISP.  

Has it finally moved to the free market?
Do all ISP's now have unmetered access?
Does Telecom still have unmetered access? (I heard somewhere this was only a limited deal anyway?)

Can anyone in-the-know clarify whats happened. 




Artificial intelligence is no match, for natural stupidity



Create new topic
BDFL
50368 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 4865

Administrator
Trusted
Geekzone
Subscriber

  Reply # 366618 12-Aug-2010 08:35 Send private message

scuwp:

Do all ISP's now have unmetered access?
Does Telecom still have unmetered access? (I heard somewhere this was only a limited deal anyway?)



Caspa downloads on Telecomn are unmetered. Caspa downloads on other ISPs are metered.

There are rumours that new ISPs would get into the unmetered deal, but nothing announced.







7785 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 327

Trusted
Subscriber

  Reply # 366780 12-Aug-2010 13:44 Send private message

I doubt any other ISP would bother with putting the engineering resources into doing unmetered for Tivo because the uptake of the device has been so small, it wouldn't be worthwhile.

Given the amount they have spent on licensing and marketing vs uptake - I predict an early demise for Tivo in NZ.

225 posts

Master Geek
+1 received by user: 6


  Reply # 366782 12-Aug-2010 13:47 Send private message

I heard Telecom didn't sell enough units by a certain date, so lost exclusivity.

What TiVo needs is to be sold in appliance stores like Harvey Norman and Noel Leeming and the like so they can get thrown in as a deal when you buy a new TV (just like SkyTV does in some places).

BDFL
50368 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 4865

Administrator
Trusted
Geekzone
Subscriber

  Reply # 366786 12-Aug-2010 13:50 Send private message

minigopher17: I heard Telecom didn't sell enough units by a certain date, so lost exclusivity.

What TiVo needs is to be sold in appliance stores like Harvey Norman and Noel Leeming and the like so they can get thrown in as a deal when you buy a new TV (just like SkyTV does in some places).


QFT...








1569 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 311


  Reply # 366810 12-Aug-2010 14:44 Send private message

minigopher17: I heard Telecom didn't sell enough units by a certain date, so lost exclusivity.

What TiVo needs is to be sold in appliance stores like Harvey Norman and Noel Leeming and the like so they can get thrown in as a deal when you buy a new TV (just like SkyTV does in some places).


Couldn't agree more. 

Given (if I undertsand it correctly) that TVNZ own a substantial share of Hybrid in NZ I wouldn't think it would just suddenly quit it? 

I might hang out for a bit and see what develops.  The new Panasionic MyFreeview devices also look attractive by comparison...




Artificial intelligence is no match, for natural stupidity



1429 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 309


  Reply # 366940 12-Aug-2010 20:15 Send private message

Part of the trouble (IMHO) is the TIVO tie-in to Freeview and TVNZ, which means that they are intentionally limiting the device because of the conflicting issues of their owner. TVNZ wants to spin a buck on its Hybrid investment, compete with Sky, and not undermine its existing business model. This means that the product in NZ tries to balance competing interests and as a consequence is "neither fish nor fowl" as the old saying goes.

Because the product tries to be quite sophisticated to take on MySky and has to licence the TIVO technology it is likely fairly expensive to make, and because they sell it upfront without a subscription they have to load this plus a margin into the purchase price. This means the unit is fairly expensive.

Because of the Freeview/TVNZ tie in however, features have been intentionally crippled and/or made intentionally unattractive. Ad skip has been intentionally removed, which is one of the whole points of paying for a PVR. Also, you have to paying $100+ extra for a simple access key is ludicrous, particuarly when the networking feature has been (as I understand it) intentionally crippled - can only share with machines on the same subnet mask and broadcasters can flag shows as non-transferrable etc. This means it is advertised with the capability (to make it attractive), but the capability is an unattractively priced crippled extra in practice. I also understand that broadcasters can flag shows as only being able to be stored for a certain period. Extra storage (the expander drive) is proprietary, clunky and overpriced - it's just an external drive after all.

The upshot is a product that is highly priced as a premium bit of kit. However, features have been removed that much cheaper boxes have (even if they lack some of the other ease of use refinements) which means that it isn't really really premium kit in many respects.

Market niches are that either pay a cheap price for a cheap box with limited features and functionality compared to the competition, or a premium price for a premium box with good features and functionality. Hybrid seems to be going for a strange third niche - a premium proce for a box with limited functionality. Mysteriously, this market segment seems very small.










Create new topic




Twitter »
Follow us to receive Twitter updates when new discussions are posted in our forums:



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when news items and blogs are posted in our frontpage:



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when tech item prices are listed in our price comparison site:





Trending now »

Hot discussions in our forums right now:

Police Camera Van Disguise
Created by Reanalyse, last reply by lNomNoml on 21-Dec-2014 23:33 (75 replies)
Pages... 3 4 5


Do I have the right to return this?
Created by corksta, last reply by kiwibro111 on 21-Dec-2014 23:54 (45 replies)
Pages... 2 3


Slaughter of Innocents
Created by networkn, last reply by networkn on 19-Dec-2014 17:46 (64 replies)
Pages... 3 4 5


Spray Foam Insulation
Created by AACTech, last reply by timbosan on 19-Dec-2014 16:58 (36 replies)
Pages... 2 3


What has Geekzone led you to buy?
Created by russelo, last reply by joker97 on 22-Dec-2014 15:49 (17 replies)
Pages... 2


Crew Drinking on Flights - Why!?
Created by networkn, last reply by Geektastic on 22-Dec-2014 09:35 (34 replies)
Pages... 2 3


Spark, the least secure part of your home network?
Created by NZtechfreak, last reply by NZtechfreak on 22-Dec-2014 14:05 (16 replies)
Pages... 2


Some lowlife is using my easy to remember number to commit idiocy
Created by joker97, last reply by joker97 on 22-Dec-2014 15:48 (15 replies)


Geekzone Live »

Try automatic live updates from Geekzone directly in your browser, without refreshing the page, with Geekzone Live now.

Are you subscribed to our RSS feed? You can download the latest headlines and summaries from our stories directly to your computer or smartphone by using a feed reader.

Alternatively, you can receive a daily email with Geekzone updates.