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Topic # 73038 7-Dec-2010 18:54 Send private message

So it's commercials time, and I fast forward with the 3 clicks forward.

I'm getting quite good at this now, and can get it to resume pretty close to the end of the interruption.

BUT, just as I click "resume", the bloody TiVo flicks up a recorded frame from the show so I think I've overshot - but actually I'm in the correct place (end of the ad break).

Now this might not seem a big deal but it's pretty disorientating to have stopped it in the correct place but show me a glimpse of the "future".

The worst thing though is that sometimes this gives the storyline away!!

One of the shows I watch is The Cube - they often go to a break just as we are about to find out if a contestant is successful. FF to the end of the break and sometimes the "frame from the future" flashes up the outcome before it's even happened!!

Have others noticed the same and is this something that has been known for a while now?

Really ruins the experience for people that hate "spoilers". 




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  Reply # 414374 7-Dec-2010 23:53 Send private message

My interpretation of it is that it flashes frames from the future in order to get you to press stop at the correct time ... e.g. I believe it's showing a couple of fames ahead of where the FFing actually is ...

In my head makes sense because, if you think about it, at the speed it's moving, between the time you saw the end of the ad break and pressed the button it would have already jumped forward further than you wanted.

With me I used to press play and then hit the skip back button because I always thought I'd overshot the start of the program because it had showed me a couple of frames into it, when in fact, if i just let it play, i hadn't overshot at all - i had actually stopped it at the correct place.

Only way around it would be to possibly FF with 2 clicks rather than 3 ... i.e. slightly slower.

I could be totally wrong, but that's my 2c.



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  Reply # 414385 8-Dec-2010 00:19 Send private message

antant: My interpretation of it is that it flashes frames from the future in order to get you to press stop at the correct time ... e.g. I believe it's showing a couple of fames ahead of where the FFing actually is ...

In my head makes sense because, if you think about it, at the speed it's moving, between the time you saw the end of the ad break and pressed the button it would have already jumped forward further than you wanted.

With me I used to press play and then hit the skip back button because I always thought I'd overshot the start of the program because it had showed me a couple of frames into it, when in fact, if i just let it play, i hadn't overshot at all - i had actually stopped it at the correct place.

Only way around it would be to possibly FF with 2 clicks rather than 3 ... i.e. slightly slower.

I could be totally wrong, but that's my 2c.

It is way more than a couple of frames. I'm seeing a frame at least 2 seconds ahead of the end of the ad break.  




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  Reply # 414405 8-Dec-2010 07:52 Send private message

I have noticed than in FFF mode when you stop it actually jumps back several frames, quite handy to account for human reaction time I suppose as when you realise it has got to the place you want it takes a couple of seconds to react and push the play button.

Can't say I have noticed the banners flashing up while in any of the 3 speed FF modes.

You could try the factory reset process that I was told to try when mine started doing silly things (they are just a computer after all)

1. Disconnect power and remove all cables from the TiVo
2. Leave for at least 6 hours
3. Restore power to the unit but do not plug anything else in other than power and TV connection
4. Once unit has loaded plug in any other cables

BTW - the reset didn't work for me, now have a replacement under warranty




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  Reply # 414407 8-Dec-2010 07:54 Send private message

ahmad: 
It is way more than a couple of frames. I'm seeing a frame at least 2 seconds ahead of the end of the ad break.  


2 seconds sounds about right to me ...  

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  Reply # 414420 8-Dec-2010 08:37 Send private message

ahmad: It is way more than a couple of frames. I'm seeing a frame at least 2 seconds ahead of the end of the ad break.  


I thought you were talking about 20-30 seconds.  2 seconds is about right, I can't see how seeing 2 seconds past the end of the ad break is a problem.  Although I always saw this as the TiVo jumping backwards when you hit play to compensate for human slow reactions rather than it flashing frames in advance. I.e. You FFx3 see the prog start again, hit play and TiVo jumps backs a few seconds on the assumption that it has overshot the ad break.

Additional: If youare watching the Cube, you have bigger issues than overshooting your ad breeaks. Wink  Does that even have a story line? 

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  Reply # 414440 8-Dec-2010 09:10 Send private message

Kiwi1971:
ahmad: It is way more than a couple of frames. I'm seeing a frame at least 2 seconds ahead of the end of the ad break.  


I thought you were talking about 20-30 seconds.  2 seconds is about right, I can't see how seeing 2 seconds past the end of the ad break is a problem.  Although I always saw this as the TiVo jumping backwards when you hit play to compensate for human slow reactions rather than it flashing frames in advance. I.e. You FFx3 see the prog start again, hit play and TiVo jumps backs a few seconds on the assumption that it has overshot the ad break.

Additional: If youare watching the Cube, you have bigger issues than overshooting your ad breeaks. Wink  Does that even have a story line? 

DLS

LOL this is not a thread about whether the Cube is watch-worthy :p

But the problem is that often the moment of suspense is given away in that 2 second frame from the future.

I noticed last night also that I tried to REwind to see something on the news - I pressed resume as soon as I saw the frame I was interested in, watched - but didn't see the bit I wanted to!!

So this problem occurs on REwind too. 




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  Reply # 414469 8-Dec-2010 10:05 Send private message

Yes I experience exactly the same thing. I've just got used to it being the way Tivo works - and generally only use two clicks to FF, on the basis that I'm slightly more accurate that way.

If only the 30 second skip wasn't disabled on the NZ Tivos (sigh)!
http://archive.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=179684

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  Reply # 414490 8-Dec-2010 10:30 Send private message

ahmad: LOL this is not a thread about whether the Cube is watch-worthy :p

But the problem is that often the moment of suspense is given away in that 2 second frame from the future.

I noticed last night also that I tried to REwind to see something on the news - I pressed resume as soon as I saw the frame I was interested in, watched - but didn't see the bit I wanted to!!

So this problem occurs on REwind too. 


I was joking, seriously you should see some of the the crap I watch Embarassed
Yeah I have noticed that on rewind also, I guess the same assumption is made about rewinding, that once you have seen a frame or two that is before the bit you wanted to see, that you have already overshot it so it compensates by jumping forward 5 seconds or so and ends up skipping past the start of what you were trying to see.  i guess that used in conjunction with the skip back button, you should be about right.




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  Reply # 414541 8-Dec-2010 11:11 Send private message

Kiwi1971:
ahmad: LOL this is not a thread about whether the Cube is watch-worthy :p

But the problem is that often the moment of suspense is given away in that 2 second frame from the future.

I noticed last night also that I tried to REwind to see something on the news - I pressed resume as soon as I saw the frame I was interested in, watched - but didn't see the bit I wanted to!!

So this problem occurs on REwind too. 


I was joking, seriously you should see some of the the crap I watch Embarassed
Yeah I have noticed that on rewind also, I guess the same assumption is made about rewinding, that once you have seen a frame or two that is before the bit you wanted to see, that you have already overshot it so it compensates by jumping forward 5 seconds or so and ends up skipping past the start of what you were trying to see.  i guess that used in conjunction with the skip back button, you should be about right.


How much does skip back take you back? 




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  Reply # 414705 8-Dec-2010 16:56 Send private message

I'm getting quite good at stopping it just as the adverts finish now..
All i do is ff 3 clicks then hover my finger over the play button, as soon as i see the program on screen, hit play and it jumps back 2 secs to the end of the adverts :-)

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  Reply # 415022 9-Dec-2010 13:43 Send private message

TiVo assumes it takes you 0.8 seconds to react, so the faster you are FFing, the more in 'program time' it jumps back. At 30x speed that would equate to about 24seconds of program time, as you claim.



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  Reply # 415396 10-Dec-2010 09:30 Send private message

I must say that this was never a problem in my 4-5 year old Sony HDD recorder. That was a breeze to FF/RW and there were never any out of sync frames while seeking.




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  Reply # 415506 10-Dec-2010 13:03 Send private message

It's not a problem on our 6 year old Series 1 TiVo either.



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  Reply # 415512 10-Dec-2010 13:15 Send private message

It might seem like a small issue but it's not a small issue when the scripted suspense dragged over a commercial break is killed by a frame that gives it all away.




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  Reply # 415648 10-Dec-2010 17:58 Send private message

I don't understand what you mean there ahmad.
you are going to see those frames anyway straight after the break so wheres the suspense ?
You could always watch the commercials then you wont miss anything at all :-)

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