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  Reply # 552276 1-Dec-2011 14:33 Send private message

Don't you get it?
The government required Sky to make coverage of major overseas sporting events involving NZ teams to be made available on Free to Air.
Early on they gave it to TVNZ to do delayed broadcasts, then they switched it to TV3.
Finally, they took over Prime, so they could meet the Free to Air requirement totally under their own control of when the delayed coverage aired. Being their channel they naturally favour Mysky over TiVo when it comes to providing EPG info.

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  Reply # 552292 1-Dec-2011 15:16 Send private message

PimpMyMagic: Don't you get it?


Maybe not.

What's the difference between TIVO and a myfreeview PVR device which does have a Prime EPG?
That's where I'm coming from.  (Only difference is probably the ability to download movies to the device.)

I can totally see why Sky don't want to offer up their EPG to any old minority device, hence TIVO and PlayTV don't have it.  Freeview official devices have had a huge uptake so Prime would look ridiculous not being on that platform.

My key point though was simply that Sky offers different content to freeview.  Anyone buying freeview as an alternative to Sky, thinking they were going to get Sky type content, will be very disappointed.

So yeah, if you're out to buy a freeview recorder then you'd be looking at an official freeview PVR or a TIVO sort of thing.  If you're out to buy a Sky recorder then you're only looking at mySky, you don't get a choice of mySky or a TIVO to achieve that requirement.  I just don't know that they're in competition with each other to the degree that's been made out.

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  Reply # 552316 1-Dec-2011 16:17 Send private message

come on people, I'm looking for people to get together so we can take on Prime and their advertisers over this epg.


Those who would like to help out, PM me, I've already got a small team together, but the more involved the less work we have to do

Greg

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  Reply # 552333 1-Dec-2011 16:56 Send private message

Jaxson:
old3eyes: Don't give much chance of concentration on Prime and Sky giving in.. Hell will freeze over first..
Agree, but hope we're wrong too!

As I've said before, I really don't know where the competition between Sky and freeview/tivo etc comes from, given they have totally different content.? Tivo is competition in the PVR sense, but then so is a myfreeview PVR unit, which does have the Prime EPG.? Tivo is not competition for Sky with regards to live sports/more current movies/rubbish channels of fashion or cooking etc etc.? They're just plain different.


I think it is competition for their basic package, as I know a few people who got sky basic solely because their reception for the free to air channels was so poor, and they only watch the free to air channels. That changed with freeview,but I think alot of people still have to for that reason, and aren't really aware that with freeview they could get the same channels especially as terrestrial has now also been extended. Tivo would compete with those users who also have mysky, as it allows you to record and timeshift coro street etc. A lot of those users would be the older generation. The downside with tivo though, is that they require a broadband connection, which many elderly don't have. If the tivo didn't require that, it would be the perfect old persons freeview/pvr solution, as it is cheap/free after the initial purchase, and relatively easy to use..

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  Reply # 552335 1-Dec-2011 16:58 Send private message

Jaxson:
PimpMyMagic: Don't you get it?


Maybe not.

What's the difference between TIVO and a myfreeview PVR device which does have a Prime EPG?
That's where I'm coming from.? (Only difference is probably the ability to download movies to the device.)

I can totally see why Sky don't want to offer up their EPG to any old minority device, hence TIVO and PlayTV don't have it.? Freeview official devices have had a huge uptake so Prime would look ridiculous not being on that platform.

My key point though was simply that Sky offers different content to freeview.? Anyone buying freeview as an alternative to Sky, thinking they were going to get Sky type content, will be very disappointed.

So yeah, if you're out to buy a freeview recorder then you'd be looking at an official freeview PVR or a TIVO sort of thing.? If you're out to buy a Sky recorder then you're only looking at mySky, you don't get a choice of mySky or a TIVO to achieve that requirement.? I just don't know that they're in competition with each other to the degree that's been made out.


Apparently the difference is that with a freeview box, they can measure the viewership stats. However with tivo they can't. Not sure what their lodgic is though, because the tivo can still receive prime tv and people will watch through it.

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  Reply # 552336 1-Dec-2011 17:00 Send private message

mattwnz:
Jaxson:
PimpMyMagic: Don't you get it?


Maybe not.

What's the difference between TIVO and a myfreeview PVR device which does have a Prime EPG?
That's where I'm coming from.? (Only difference is probably the ability to download movies to the device.)

I can totally see why Sky don't want to offer up their EPG to any old minority device, hence TIVO and PlayTV don't have it.? Freeview official devices have had a huge uptake so Prime would look ridiculous not being on that platform.

My key point though was simply that Sky offers different content to freeview.? Anyone buying freeview as an alternative to Sky, thinking they were going to get Sky type content, will be very disappointed.

So yeah, if you're out to buy a freeview recorder then you'd be looking at an official freeview PVR or a TIVO sort of thing.? If you're out to buy a Sky recorder then you're only looking at mySky, you don't get a choice of mySky or a TIVO to achieve that requirement.? I just don't know that they're in competition with each other to the degree that's been made out.


Apparently the difference is that with a freeview box, they can measure the viewership stats. However with tivo they can't. Not sure what their lodgic is though, because the tivo can still receive prime tv and people will watch through it.

I would have thought that was the other way around, TiVo is internet connected whereas the vast majority of the Freeview devices are not.

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  Reply # 552341 1-Dec-2011 17:09 Send private message



Apparently the difference is that with a freeview box, they can measure the viewership stats. However with tivo they can't. Not sure what their lodgic is though, because the tivo can still receive prime tv and people will watch through it.


If they told you that, they are lying, most freeview boxes don't have any way to send info out, so how would the info on what channel is been watched get back?

Prime can't actually supply a valid, logical reason why they are not letting Tivo use the EPG, beyond "because we don't want to"



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  Reply # 552345 1-Dec-2011 17:14 Send private message

gregmcc:


Apparently the difference is that with a freeview box, they can measure the viewership stats. However with tivo they can't. Not sure what their lodgic is though, because the tivo can still receive prime tv and people will watch through it.


If they told you that, they are lying, most freeview boxes don't have any way to send info out, so how would the info on what channel is been watched get back?

Prime can't actually supply a valid, logical reason why they are not letting Tivo use the EPG, beyond "because we don't want to"




It is shown at https://skytv.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/893/kw/tivo/session/L3RpbWUvMTMyMjcxMjc2NC9zaWQvV1UxTV9zS2s%3D

So if freeview also doesn't record viewer ship data, that would be strange that they have listed that as a reason.
A percentage of houses in NZ do have a box recording their viewership stats, which is how you find out the percentag eof the country that watched the world cup rugby final etc., so perhaps freeview is part of that.

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  Reply # 552347 1-Dec-2011 17:25 Send private message

The only device that does offer user feedback, that I know of, is PlayTV on the Sony PS3.
That offers real time user stats and from what I hear it makes for interesting viewing. Technically it's possibly already a larger sample than the official ratings measure, though obviously it's slanted by the age/demographic of the user with a PS3.

Agreed Mattwnz, that freeview competes with Sky basic. And also that fundamentally there's nothing different about TIVO from freeview, which does have the Prime EPG. And an easy EPG for old people. I still don't really think TIVO/freeview PVR's compete with mySky. Yes they are both recording devices, but they record vastly different content.

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  Reply # 552352 1-Dec-2011 17:46 Send private message

Jaxson: The only device that does offer user feedback, that I know of, is PlayTV on the Sony PS3.
That offers real time user stats and from what I hear it makes for interesting viewing. Technically it's possibly already a larger sample than the official ratings measure, though obviously it's slanted by the age/demographic of the user with a PS3.

Agreed Mattwnz, that freeview competes with Sky basic. And also that fundamentally there's nothing different about TIVO from freeview, which does have the Prime EPG. And an easy EPG for old people. I still don't really think TIVO/freeview PVR's compete with mySky. Yes they are both recording devices, but they record vastly different content.


Not sure about mysky not competing with tivo. Is mysky avaliable for those with just the basic sky package anyway?
I don't think mysky is used that much for sport, as people would prefer to watch sport live. It would be used for movies, and TV shows, but there are many tv shows on freeview. I suppose it all depends on what people watch. The benefit of sky is that they do have much of the content wrapped up in NZ, which I had read is one reason (possibly the major reason) netflix doesn't have plans to come to nz.

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  Reply # 553469 4-Dec-2011 13:29 Send private message

gregmcc: come on people, I'm looking for people to get together so we can take on Prime and their advertisers over this epg.


Those who would like to help out, PM me, I've already got a small team together, but the more involved the less work we have to do

Greg


I think you guys found an angle of attack on Maori around the Official Information Act, but Sky is a far tougher proposition. Ultimately it may take people with enough time and financial support to be able to #occupy - and is it really worth it just for an EPG




[Mod Edit :BH: As per the FUG, please use correct company names.]

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  Reply # 553477 4-Dec-2011 13:44 Send private message



I think you guys found an angle of attack on Maori around the Official Information Act, but Sky is a far tougher proposition. Ultimately it may take people with enough time and financial support to be able to #occupy - and is it really worth it just for an EPG


Basically it's worth a try, it won't only be pressure from viewers to prime, but prime's advertisers on prime.

If no one tries then Sky wins, Tivo users lose out, and no one gets the right to complain. I would much rather try, win or lose, at least i've given it a go and earned the right  to make my opnion heard.



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  Reply # 553483 4-Dec-2011 13:55 Send private message

I think we have a real chance now that Prime are out on their own now, and the numbers of TiVo owners will be swelling quickly now.

When a Telecom door knocker came and gave me one last week (I'll now have three Tivos :-) she told me she'd given away hundreds of them personally, and she was in a group of several door knockers.

I'd say it's well worth a shot doing what Greg suggests.

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  Reply # 553497 4-Dec-2011 14:32 Send private message

Spong: I think we have a real chance now that Prime are out on their own now, and the numbers of TiVo owners will be swelling quickly now.

When a Telecom door knocker came and gave me one last week (I'll now have three Tivos :-) she told me she'd given away hundreds of them personally, and she was in a group of several door knockers.

I'd say it's well worth a shot doing what Greg suggests.


How did you get one for free? Did you have to be with another phone provider, and did they require you to sign up to a contract?

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  Reply # 553744 4-Dec-2011 21:57 Send private message

Telecom just seem to be picking off areas around NZ, knocking on doors, and offering a free TiVo as long as you shift your phone, tolls and broadband to them for a minimum 12months, or if you're with them, sign up to stay with them for at least 12 months longer which is what I did. A $199 early termination fee applies.

I phoned them a couple of weeks back and asked for the deal direct, but they said it wouldn't happen unless someone door knocked our street which could happen any time, or never, but they did hint that they were covering a large part of NZ with this deal.

I then went and bought my second TiVo from one of these lucky people on Trademe for $200. Then last week it happened to me. Actually I was heading out in the car and spotted a Telecom employee working the street with a clipboard. I stopped, opened the window and asked if she was giving away free TiVos. Boy was she surprised, she'd never been hunted down for a free TiVo before and within minutes the docs were signed, and soon I'll have 3x of the suckers. I have the HNP which I managed to get free a year back, so make good use of it. Not certain if I really need three of them, but Trademe's getting swamped, and they're stating to fetch as low as $150. What a bargain :-)

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