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  Reply # 695355 3-Oct-2012 10:04 Send private message quote this post

I think you guys are treading very close to the line on a prior warning that exploits were not to be discussed in this forum for any reason in any way. Can I recommend you remove your posts?

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  Reply # 695357 3-Oct-2012 10:06 Send private message quote this post

mattRSK: I've read on other forums that drop tables worked.


That forum is GPForums, so take it with a truckload of salt.

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  Reply # 695358 3-Oct-2012 10:07 Send private message quote this post

networkn: I think you guys are treading very close to the line on a prior warning that exploits were not to be discussed in this forum for any reason in any way. Can I recommend you remove your posts?


The warning wasn't not to discuss exploits, it was a warning not to give instructions.  Advocating suppressing knowledge of an exploit existing is dangerously close to advocating security through obscurity, which everyone knows is bad.

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  Reply # 695359 3-Oct-2012 10:12 Send private message quote this post

Kyanar:
networkn: I think you guys are treading very close to the line on a prior warning that exploits were not to be discussed in this forum for any reason in any way. Can I recommend you remove your posts?


The warning wasn't not to discuss exploits, it was a warning not to give instructions.  Advocating suppressing knowledge of an exploit existing is dangerously close to advocating security through obscurity, which everyone knows is bad.


I apologize if I misunderstood. 

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  Reply # 695365 3-Oct-2012 10:15 Send private message quote this post

This isn't lulzsec, we're just observing the crappage, shaking our heads in disbelief

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  Reply # 695366 3-Oct-2012 10:16 Send private message quote this post

PottsyNZ: This isn't lulzsec, we're just observing the crappage, shaking our heads in disbelief


Yup it's pretty grim I'll admit. I expect them to come back better for it though. 


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  Reply # 695376 3-Oct-2012 10:33 Send private message quote this post

Perhaps it wasn't a $10mil investment after-all. Maybe a 10Mil Indian Rupee one (about NZ$230k) ;-)

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  Reply # 695381 3-Oct-2012 10:45 Send private message quote this post

NZ$10M figure depends on how long they planned the startup phase. 2 years? 5 years? It does not have meaning without the timeframe. The advertising campaign will be a huge chunk.

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  Reply # 695400 3-Oct-2012 11:10 Send private message quote this post

How much did Telecom dump on Ferit?

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  Reply # 695416 3-Oct-2012 11:36 Send private message quote this post

PottsyNZ: How much did Telecom dump on Ferit?


Possibly upwards of $70m




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  Reply # 695422 3-Oct-2012 11:42 Send private message quote this post

ajobbins:
PottsyNZ: How much did Telecom dump on Ferit?


Possibly upwards of $70m






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  Reply # 695437 3-Oct-2012 11:55 Send private message quote this post

freitasm: Lots of discussions on Twitter yesterday. They apparently use "40 servers" to run the site. Whoever managed to register yesterday also found out that session information was not consistent across those servers.

My joke this morning was something along the lines of "I am still surprised Wheedle needed 40 servers to serve 503 and 404 responses."

The site was up and down a few times. I managed to register to secure my user name, to find out that going through pages would show me logged in as "freitasm", not logged in at all, or logged in with someone else's name and information being shown.

Another article says they have outsourced development to an Indian-based company. This is a shame, with so many talented developers in New Zealand that could probably do a much better job in development, deployment and management. They probably cut costs by not doing proper unit/system/integration/regresion/deployment testing.

Let's see what happens on 1st October.


Outsourcing to India doesn't necessarily  mean they cut costs and hence they get inferior output. That depends on lot of other factors like which agency they chose, what are the terms of contract and various other factors for there will be always good and bad people and businesses in every country in this world. I object the generalization attributed here to certain country.

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  Reply # 695446 3-Oct-2012 12:03 Send private message quote this post

Chaitanya: Outsourcing to India doesn't necessarily  mean they cut costs and hence they get inferior output. That depends on lot of other factors like which agency they chose, what are the terms of contract and various other factors for there will be always good and bad people and businesses in every country in this world. I object the generalization attributed here to certain country.


+1. It is like a clueless person calling a random manufacturer in China who has a nice looking webpage and saying make me something that looks and works exactly like the iPad. Mileage will vary depending on randomness and level of cluelessness. Foxconn or others at that level will do a great job but clueless person will not like the price and has heard it can be done cheaper somewhere else.

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  Reply # 695447 3-Oct-2012 12:04 Send private message quote this post

Chaitanya:
freitasm: Lots of discussions on Twitter yesterday. They apparently use "40 servers" to run the site. Whoever managed to register yesterday also found out that session information was not consistent across those servers.

My joke this morning was something along the lines of "I am still surprised Wheedle needed 40 servers to serve 503 and 404 responses."

The site was up and down a few times. I managed to register to secure my user name, to find out that going through pages would show me logged in as "freitasm", not logged in at all, or logged in with someone else's name and information being shown.

Another article says they have outsourced development to an Indian-based company. This is a shame, with so many talented developers in New Zealand that could probably do a much better job in development, deployment and management. They probably cut costs by not doing proper unit/system/integration/regresion/deployment testing.

Let's see what happens on 1st October.


Outsourcing to India doesn't necessarily  mean they cut costs and hence they get inferior output. That depends on lot of other factors like which agency they chose, what are the terms of contract and various other factors for there will be always good and bad people and businesses in every country in this world. I object the generalization attributed here to certain country.


Outsourcing to India is probably a terrible idea if they had a poorly designed business idea, a poorly designed technical specifications and a poorly managed project. This probably were the culprits in a failed deliverable and all of which probably were locally produced.

When problems were identified, having a development team on the other side of the world, in a very different time zone means not being responsive at all.

It would be ok to have an outsourced team AFTER the product was launched. But leaving the most essential part of the business going offshore in a critical part of the process is complete lack of foresight.

This could be India, Egypt, USA or German. The same thing.






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  Reply # 695455 3-Oct-2012 12:11 Send private message quote this post

In my experience with working with dev work outsourced to India, it has to be a long term strategic engagement for you to realise the benefits.

It's actually going to cost you more, and probably take you longer in the short run - the biggest factor is having to do everything remotely. It just becomes so much harder to get everyone on the same page.

But in the long term (read years), is where you can save money.




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