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Topic # 136689 5-Dec-2013 16:52 Send private message

Greetings GZ wisdom warriors,

I'm approaching final 3D printed prototype of an idea that hasn't yet been patented/protected.

I was thinking of posting up a YouTube clip of the technology in action (without revealing how it actually achieves what it does) for general feedback/exposure.

Question: Would this affect my ability to protect the idea at a later stage (if I choose to patent it)?

Cheers.


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  Reply # 946138 5-Dec-2013 16:54 One person supports this post Send private message

Don't do it until you have applied and granted a patent. If anyone sees it and applies first you have not much chance later to get it.




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  Reply # 946148 5-Dec-2013 17:16 Send private message

freitasm: Don't do it until you have applied and granted a patent. If anyone sees it and applies first you have not much chance later to get it.


despite prior art?

Choice!
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  Reply # 946149 5-Dec-2013 17:27 Send private message

I assume you'll be using a lawyer to help register the patents? If so, ask them for advice.

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  Reply # 946196 5-Dec-2013 19:52 Send private message

I am a patent attorney. Do not show it or sell it, even in "black box" form, until you have filed a patent application. My firms website optimizeip.com, explains why in its “IP Basics" section. Feel free to give me a call. Contact number is on the site.
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  Reply # 946320 6-Dec-2013 00:18 Send private message

Cheers, thanks for advice guys. I'll have a word with Mike before going down the YouTube road...

Much appreciated

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  Reply # 946323 6-Dec-2013 00:21 Send private message

Grar patents. Such a fickle world.





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  Reply # 946351 6-Dec-2013 06:48 Send private message

loceff13:
freitasm: Don't do it until you have applied and granted a patent. If anyone sees it and applies first you have not much chance later to get it.


despite prior art?


Mike will tell you why.

Zeon: Grar patents. Such a fickle world.


Until you invent something that took time and cost money and someone else profit on it and you die poor.





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  Reply # 946604 6-Dec-2013 14:22 Send private message

freitasm: 

Until you invent something that took time and cost money and someone else profit on it and you die poor.



Poor companies, they would have to compete on the execution/implementation of the idea....

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  Reply # 946713 6-Dec-2013 18:08 Send private message

I can recall a little from our talk about IP at tech with respect to this and there was something about gazetting if you were showing something that you wanted to later patent, which they did for the grad show. I know for the guys who had the possibility of actually making something of value that they had a talk about what they could and couldnt discuss with people at the show since that also mattered despite what was shown.




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  Reply # 946828 6-Dec-2013 22:33 Send private message

That's only if it is shown at a trade show that has been gazetted in the government gazette as being a special show. Most shows are not gazetted. Even if they were, your rights in NZ might be protected, but your overseas rights would be shot to pieces. You just don't want to be in legal grey area when it comes to patents. File first, then disclose.

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  Reply # 946925 7-Dec-2013 08:33 Send private message

This is slightly off topic, but related to 3D printing.

When creating a 3D item people often use real items or other 3D components as input - for example scan a part and create their own. Just pointing out that it is important to check to see if those input components are protected by copyright - more often than not they will be, so it could be important to check one has permission to make a reproduction of them.





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Reply # 948375 9-Dec-2013 23:19 One person supports this post Send private message

Update:

I had a chat with Mike and am now aware of the reasons why NOT to place anything on YouTube before filing a patent application. The information given was tremendously helpful...once again thanks to GZ for helping me make the right decision.

I highly recommend Mike to the GZ community for any IP work. Cheers.

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  Reply # 948382 10-Dec-2013 00:38 Send private message

freitasm:
loceff13:
freitasm: Don't do it until you have applied and granted a patent. If anyone sees it and applies first you have not much chance later to get it.


despite prior art?


Mike will tell you why.

Zeon: Grar patents. Such a fickle world.


Until you invent something that took time and cost money and someone else profit on it and you die poor.



I did invent something and have no intention of patenting it.

I spent $12,000 on a freedom to operate search which basically showed patents that infringed on patents which infringed on patents which in turn were infringing patents more than 20 years old. All for completely abstract ideas that wasn't a novelty but what people had been thinking of for years. For a cool physical gadget then perhaps. For a lot else, no thanks.





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  Reply # 951163 12-Dec-2013 18:40 Send private message

Zeon:
freitasm:
loceff13:
freitasm: Don't do it until you have applied and granted a patent. If anyone sees it and applies first you have not much chance later to get it.


despite prior art?


Mike will tell you why.

Zeon: Grar patents. Such a fickle world.


Until you invent something that took time and cost money and someone else profit on it and you die poor.



I did invent something and have no intention of patenting it.

I spent $12,000 on a freedom to operate search which basically showed patents that infringed on patents which infringed on patents which in turn were infringing patents more than 20 years old. All for completely abstract ideas that wasn't a novelty but what people had been thinking of for years. For a cool physical gadget then perhaps. For a lot else, no thanks.

What did you invent?

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  Reply # 951190 12-Dec-2013 19:37 Send private message

TBH Zeon it sounds like your patent attorney didn't do a great job of explaining the system to you, because what you have said above makes no sense logically in patent terms. I would be happy to meet up with you and explain the system to you. No charge. Just for the sake of IP awareness.

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