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Topic # 100726 17-Apr-2012 17:33 Send private message

I am in a suburb where UFB will be rolled out very soon.  Who do I speak to to find out the exact route of the fibre down our street - reason being that I live off a cul de sac that is off the street, but it is actually a public road not a privately owned right of way hence I believe the fibre should be run right into the cul de sac.   I am currently building a house so am hoping to be able to get the fibre connection installed right to the door while the existing telephone lines are being reinstalled to the house.   i have spoken to Chorus who directed me to Call before you dig who in turn suggested I speak to my ISP (Telecom Xtra).  Finding a real person who knows something will be the real challenge here.

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  Reply # 611341 18-Apr-2012 18:26 Send private message

Do you really need to know the exact route ?
Why not just order a service and see what happens ?
Nothing will oblige you to an unexpected cost, without your prior consent.




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  Reply # 611345 18-Apr-2012 18:34 Send private message

crosmr: I am in a suburb where UFB will be rolled out very soon.  Who do I speak to to find out the exact route of the fibre down our street - reason being that I live off a cul de sac that is off the street, but it is actually a public road not a privately owned right of way hence I believe the fibre should be run right into the cul de sac.   I am currently building a house so am hoping to be able to get the fibre connection installed right to the door while the existing telephone lines are being reinstalled to the house.   i have spoken to Chorus who directed me to Call before you dig who in turn suggested I speak to my ISP (Telecom Xtra).  Finding a real person who knows something will be the real challenge here.


If you are installing approved conduit you have nothing to worry about. Making the assumption that you're in a Chorus area the fibre will simply be blown down this.




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  Reply # 611351 18-Apr-2012 18:45 Send private message

Thanks for your replies to date.  I tried to get some sense out of Telecom Xtra today but spoke to a muppet who had never heard of Ultrafast Broadband or UFB.  I hung up out of frustration.

I think you're right - as long as we've got conduit we should be fine.  Just want to make sure that we don't get stiffed by Chorus if they avoid running the fibre into our cul de sac (public road), and have to bear the cost of running it all the way to the home.

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  Reply # 611781 19-Apr-2012 11:40 Send private message

For the areas where Chorus is deploying UFB - Fibre doesn't get reticulated to a property until the exchange/cabinet and UFB infrastructure is in place and the resident orders a UFB service from their provider. So asking for fibre to be laid prior to this being completed is not possible.

However if you are replacing an underground lead-in to your refurbished/new home then you should ask your contractor to lay a green 20mm conduit / duct from your house to your existing copper cable plinth at the boundary of your property. Ensure they use large radius bends and draw the new copper lead AND a separate draw cord through that conduit / duct. When the fibre installers come along they will see the new connection to your boundary and use the draw-cord to pull the fibre / micro-ducting through to your house (depending on the fibre layout in your street).

Also make sure you put a draw-cord from the external termination point for the copper, through to the internal distribution point in your house.

This will help you to be a step ahead with the connection process and minimise connection disruptions when you do order a fibre connection for your home.

Refer to the http://www.chorus.co.nz/wiring-for-fibre for further tips on getting your house ready for faster broadband and installing a lead-in for new builds.




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  Reply # 611797 19-Apr-2012 11:56 Send private message

ChorusVan: For the areas where Chorus is deploying UFB - Fibre doesn't get reticulated to a property until the exchange/cabinet and UFB infrastructure is in place and the resident orders a UFB service from their provider. So asking for fibre to be laid prior to this being completed is not possible.

However if you are replacing an underground lead-in to your refurbished/new home then you should ask your contractor to lay a green 20mm conduit / duct from your house to your existing copper cable plinth at the boundary of your property. Ensure they use large radius bends and draw the new copper lead AND a separate draw cord through that conduit / duct. When the fibre installers come along they will see the new connection to your boundary and use the draw-cord to pull the fibre / micro-ducting through to your house (depending on the fibre layout in your street).

Also make sure you put a draw-cord from the external termination point for the copper, through to the internal distribution point in your house.

This will help you to be a step ahead with the connection process and minimise connection disruptions when you do order a fibre connection for your home.

Refer to the http://www.chorus.co.nz/wiring-for-fibre for further tips on getting your house ready for faster broadband and installing a lead-in for new builds.


The guide you linked to covers the ducting, however it doesnt mention the draw cord. What sort of material draw cord should I use in this sort of situation?

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  Reply # 611809 19-Apr-2012 12:17 Send private message

nickb800:
ChorusVan: For the areas where Chorus is deploying UFB - Fibre doesn't get reticulated to a property until the exchange/cabinet and UFB infrastructure is in place and the resident orders a UFB service from their provider. So asking for fibre to be laid prior to this being completed is not possible.

However if you are replacing an underground lead-in to your refurbished/new home then you should ask your contractor to lay a green 20mm conduit / duct from your house to your existing copper cable plinth at the boundary of your property. Ensure they use large radius bends and draw the new copper lead AND a separate draw cord through that conduit / duct. When the fibre installers come along they will see the new connection to your boundary and use the draw-cord to pull the fibre / micro-ducting through to your house (depending on the fibre layout in your street).

Also make sure you put a draw-cord from the external termination point for the copper, through to the internal distribution point in your house.

This will help you to be a step ahead with the connection process and minimise connection disruptions when you do order a fibre connection for your home.

Refer to the http://www.chorus.co.nz/wiring-for-fibre for further tips on getting your house ready for faster broadband and installing a lead-in for new builds.


The guide you linked to covers the ducting, however it doesnt mention the draw cord. What sort of material draw cord should I use in this sort of situation?


There is no "draw cord", fibre is blown in the conduit.


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  Reply # 611829 19-Apr-2012 12:36 Send private message

sbiddle:
nickb800:
ChorusVan: However if you are replacing an underground lead-in to your refurbished/new home then you should ask your contractor to lay a green 20mm conduit / duct from your house to your existing copper cable plinth at the boundary of your property. Ensure they use large radius bends and draw the new copper lead AND a separate draw cord through that conduit / duct. When the fibre installers come along they will see the new connection to your boundary and use the draw-cord to pull the fibre / micro-ducting through to your house (depending on the fibre layout in your street).

Also make sure you put a draw-cord from the external termination point for the copper, through to the internal distribution point in your house.

This will help you to be a step ahead with the connection process and minimise connection disruptions when you do order a fibre connection for your home.

Refer to the http://www.chorus.co.nz/wiring-for-fibre for further tips on getting your house ready for faster broadband and installing a lead-in for new builds.


The guide you linked to covers the ducting, however it doesnt mention the draw cord. What sort of material draw cord should I use in this sort of situation?


There is no "draw cord", fibre is blown in the conduit.



Cant blow the fibre with an existing copper cable in the conduit.
My guess is that this is why it was suggested.
Most draw cable i have seen is cat5 as it is cheap.




Hmmmm

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  Reply # 611833 19-Apr-2012 12:39 Send private message

sbiddle:
nickb800:
ChorusVan: For the areas where Chorus is deploying UFB - Fibre doesn't get reticulated to a property until the exchange/cabinet and UFB infrastructure is in place and the resident orders a UFB service from their provider. So asking for fibre to be laid prior to this being completed is not possible.

However if you are replacing an underground lead-in to your refurbished/new home then you should ask your contractor to lay a green 20mm conduit / duct from your house to your existing copper cable plinth at the boundary of your property. Ensure they use large radius bends and draw the new copper lead AND a separate draw cord through that conduit / duct. When the fibre installers come along they will see the new connection to your boundary and use the draw-cord to pull the fibre / micro-ducting through to your house (depending on the fibre layout in your street).

Also make sure you put a draw-cord from the external termination point for the copper, through to the internal distribution point in your house.

This will help you to be a step ahead with the connection process and minimise connection disruptions when you do order a fibre connection for your home.

Refer to the http://www.chorus.co.nz/wiring-for-fibre for further tips on getting your house ready for faster broadband and installing a lead-in for new builds.


The guide you linked to covers the ducting, however it doesnt mention the draw cord. What sort of material draw cord should I use in this sort of situation?


There is no "draw cord", fibre is blown in the conduit.



Err can ChorusVan please confirm the official advice - draw cord or not?

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  Reply # 611865 19-Apr-2012 13:29 Send private message

The draw cord is a wire (often telephony wire / cable) which is strong enough to pull through either a fibre or a single microduct through the lead-in conduit (from boundary to ETP).

Some greenfield developments have blown fibre infrastructure already deployed from the boundary to the ETP. The duct is left just below the surface of the ground, ready for connecting to our microduct network, creating a single conduit to blow fibre from the cabinet / exchange right to the doorset.

While others provide the telephony duct (20mm green duct) with a draw cord so we can pull through a single microduct from boundary to the ETP, attach this to our network and blow fibre from exchange / cabinet.






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  Reply # 611868 19-Apr-2012 13:31 Send private message

Important to note there is blown fibre infrastructure, direct bury infrastructure and aerial drop for connecting customers to fibre services - it's not always blown.





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  Reply # 611971 19-Apr-2012 15:22 Send private message

Ideal electrical and most other electricians trade stores sell a proper draw 'string'
Its special and waxy and doesnt heat up as much when you pull the cable through.
Also when pulling the cable any distance you should also be using proper anti friction lube. Its on the shelf next to the draw string.




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  Reply # 611999 19-Apr-2012 16:01 Send private message

Thanks to all for your helpful advice.

ChorusVan - can I clarify something, you refer to running a drawcord from the ETP to the internal distribution point (I have a central data cabinet in my case) - will I get much benefit out of running fibre from the ETP to my data cabinet compared with say Cat6?   Unfortunately I don't have a draw wire but I do probably have a spare Cat6 I could use, although with no conduit through the framing it won't be easy to pull any fibre through without it getting stuck.  

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  Reply # 612006 19-Apr-2012 16:13 Send private message

In regards to the internal wiring, should we put a conduit in the wall from the ETP to where we want the GPON CPE internally? What spec should this be? Also anyway that all active electronics can be on the outside at the ETP as I only have a single cat5e running from there to my patch panel :(





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