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  Reply # 666419 2-Aug-2012 17:52 Send private message

hamish225: hmm, seems a bit strange to me that you located the ONT away from where you want your broadband to be provisioned, wouldn't it be easier to just connect said TV to the wifi?


It would be for cable tv (sky or competitor) to plug a set top box into. So they use the (fibre) cable but not the internet to deliver channels.
But don't know if anyone would bother with cable tv here, overseas they seem to be fighting a losing battle with iptv/streaming?

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  Reply # 666422 2-Aug-2012 17:57 Send private message

 

It certainly was a free install, nothing for me to pay at all. The only commitment is that I must stay with WorldNet for 18 months, but I've been with them six years so I am hardly likely to switch ISP. And if I were to break the term I am only obliged to return the modem and pay them $199. I paid $199 six years ago to have Telecom visit and install an external splitter for my ADSL!

You can read WorldNet's free fibre install  deal here:
http://www.worldnet.co.nz/ufb/residential.php


I was with with world-net back in the day when they gave you a shell account with their dialup accounts.

Not much point me reading that when http://www.chorus.co.nz/maps says of my address "UFB deployment dates for your area are still being developed"... which means at least a couple of years probably closer to 5 or 10. Anyway I signed up for VDSL2 with snap :)





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  Reply # 666426 2-Aug-2012 18:00 Send private message

hamish225: hmm, seems a bit strange to me that you located the ONT away from where you want your broadband to be provisioned, wouldn't it be easier to just connect said TV to the wifi?


Good point. I did consider having the ONT placed where the dedicated ADSL jackpoint was in the office but was swayed by the initial technical visitor who suggested having it behind the TV for future-proofing - especially with the spare ports on the ONT being so handy.

He made the observation that running a CAT5 cable a distance of 5 meters to the office for my internet connection would not reduce my internet speed, given CAT5 cable supports 100Mbps anyway - which is the maximum speed that UFB is offering.

I find wireless streaming of live TV from the Internet to be considerably less reliably than using a wired network connection. I have a network cable from my modem plugged into my UltraPlus X-9200 Set Top Box and that streams BBC1, BBC2 and ITV from England, flawlessly.

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  Reply # 666427 2-Aug-2012 18:03 Send private message

gustov:
cyril7: Hi, thanks for the write up, very well presented. My only comment is that I dont understand why you must have your fax on copper (and yes I do understand the technical challenges), with modern options its easier/cheaper to get hosted hybrid email/fax services, although holding and porting an existing fax number may be the deal killer there as I assume to retain an existing fax number is important for your business.

Cyril


Thanks, I think we only pay $3-$4 a month for a fax number, on top of the Telecom business line rental. We don't send or receive a lot of faxes, but when we need it, it can be really useful. And given it is costing about a dollar a week it just seems easier to keep it.

Worldnet wanted all our business but because they said they could not offer fax over fibre they agreed with us keeping our business line and fax with Telecom. If there is a cheaper option than the $50 a month we pay Telecom for phone and fax numbers I'd would certainly consider it. All suggestions welcome, one received earlier (above) from a poster.

I'd want to keep the existing phone number and fax number. if only because they are printed on all out stationary and business cards.


Have a look at VFX. You can either get a single VFX line with the fax-to-email option which would be $11.50 for the line rental and $5.00 for the fax-to-email service or get 2 lines for $11.50 each - one for the phone and one for the fax. With both option you would need an ATA which costs around $100 and both options would allow you to keep your numbers.

http://www.xnet.co.nz/phone/voip-phone-line-vfx

But otherwise sounds like a good setup. Surprised that the ONT and router aren't together. Must be hard in old houses where there is no logical wiring area like in new houses where its usually the garage.





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  Reply # 666435 2-Aug-2012 18:22 Send private message

Hi are you able to post speedtest results to say West Coast - USA? Would be interesting to know international speeds.



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  Reply # 666437 2-Aug-2012 18:33 Send private message

Karld991: Hi are you able to post speedtest results to say West Coast - USA? Would be interesting to know international speeds.


Sure, here's a test done a few minutes ago at 1825 hours to California:




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  Reply # 666441 2-Aug-2012 18:39 Send private message

gustov:
hamish225: hmm, seems a bit strange to me that you located the ONT away from where you want your broadband to be provisioned, wouldn't it be easier to just connect said TV to the wifi?


Good point. I did consider having the ONT placed where the dedicated ADSL jackpoint was in the office but was swayed by the initial technical visitor who suggested having it behind the TV for future-proofing - especially with the spare ports on the ONT being so handy.

He made the observation that running a CAT5 cable a distance of 5 meters to the office for my internet connection would not reduce my internet speed, given CAT5 cable supports 100Mbps anyway - which is the maximum speed that UFB is offering.

I find wireless streaming of live TV from the Internet to be considerably less reliably than using a wired network connection. I have a network cable from my modem plugged into my UltraPlus X-9200 Set Top Box and that streams BBC1, BBC2 and ITV from England, flawlessly.


ahhh right, and here's me thinking you had cables running from one side of the house to the other and back again! haha don't mind me :P















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  Reply # 666449 2-Aug-2012 18:54 Send private message

Napster: Hey, do you mind doing a tracert to geekzone.co.nz and bigpond.com.au ?

Would like to see what your latency is like over UFB.


I was in a fibre area 2 years ago and latency was 1-2ms local and 25-26ms Sydney/Australia.

Cheers


Sure, here you go. Tests done at 1845 hours.

Geekzone


Bigpond



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  Reply # 666453 2-Aug-2012 18:59 Send private message

Hi

So what is acting as the DHCP server? The ONT or the wireless router?

Tx.




Mark Ascroft
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  Reply # 666463 2-Aug-2012 19:07 Send private message

ascroft: Hi

So what is acting as the DHCP server? The ONT or the wireless router?

Tx.


All the ONT does is convert the fibre-optic light signal to a copper/electric signal. You still need a modem for the Internet.

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  Reply # 666471 2-Aug-2012 19:17 Send private message

MurrayM: 

I'm a little bit surprised that WorldNet were able to give you a fully pre-configured modem. To do this they must have had your password stored in plaintext somewhere, which sounds like a bit of a security risk to me...


Why would you make that assumption?

Routers can also be easily provisioned remotely using DHCP option 82.


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  Reply # 666477 2-Aug-2012 19:23 Send private message

Cheers Gustov,

Bit of fluctuation but can see its fully capable of 1ms local and 25-26 to Sydney.

Nice throughput to US as well.



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  Reply # 666484 2-Aug-2012 19:35 Send private message

hamish225:
gustov:
hamish225: hmm, seems a bit strange to me that you located the ONT away from where you want your broadband to be provisioned, wouldn't it be easier to just connect said TV to the wifi?


Good point. I did consider having the ONT placed where the dedicated ADSL jackpoint was in the office but was swayed by the initial technical visitor who suggested having it behind the TV for future-proofing - especially with the spare ports on the ONT being so handy.

He made the observation that running a CAT5 cable a distance of 5 meters to the office for my internet connection would not reduce my internet speed, given CAT5 cable supports 100Mbps anyway - which is the maximum speed that UFB is offering.

I find wireless streaming of live TV from the Internet to be considerably less reliably than using a wired network connection. I have a network cable from my modem plugged into my UltraPlus X-9200 Set Top Box and that streams BBC1, BBC2 and ITV from England, flawlessly.


ahhh right, and here's me thinking you had cables running from one side of the house to the other and back again! haha don't mind me :P


Maybe I should also add that locating the ONT behind the TV, instead of in the study was to assist with de-cluttering! I have a rats-nest of cables in the study, with cables entering from a roof-top weather station, and coax and open-wire feeders for HF and V/UHF amateur radio antennas on the roof, and CAT5 going out to my work shop, and.. and .. you get the picture!

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  Reply # 666488 2-Aug-2012 19:40 Send private message

sbiddle:
MurrayM: 

I'm a little bit surprised that WorldNet were able to give you a fully pre-configured modem. To do this they must have had your password stored in plaintext somewhere, which sounds like a bit of a security risk to me...


Why would you make that assumption?

Routers can also be easily provisioned remotely using DHCP option 82.


Gustov has already explained how they were able to supply the router pre-configured with his username/password.

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  Reply # 666492 2-Aug-2012 19:45 Send private message



Is the Linksys E900 actually a modem/router or just a router?  Maybe the ONT does the job of the modem?


Lets be clear, the ONT is simply a Layer2 bridge, so its simply a modem, for a normal domestic situation a upstream NAT/router is required.

Cyril

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