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  Reply # 666503 2-Aug-2012 19:53 Send private message

gustov:
hamish225:
gustov:
hamish225: hmm, seems a bit strange to me that you located the ONT away from where you want your broadband to be provisioned, wouldn't it be easier to just connect said TV to the wifi?


Good point. I did consider having the ONT placed where the dedicated ADSL jackpoint was in the office but was swayed by the initial technical visitor who suggested having it behind the TV for future-proofing - especially with the spare ports on the ONT being so handy.

He made the observation that running a CAT5 cable a distance of 5 meters to the office for my internet connection would not reduce my internet speed, given CAT5 cable supports 100Mbps anyway - which is the maximum speed that UFB is offering.

I find wireless streaming of live TV from the Internet to be considerably less reliably than using a wired network connection. I have a network cable from my modem plugged into my UltraPlus X-9200 Set Top Box and that streams BBC1, BBC2 and ITV from England, flawlessly.


ahhh right, and here's me thinking you had cables running from one side of the house to the other and back again! haha don't mind me :P


Maybe I should also add that locating the ONT behind the TV, instead of in the study was to assist with de-cluttering! I have a rats-nest of cables in the study, with cables entering from a roof-top weather station, and coax and open-wire feeders for HF and V/UHF amateur radio antennas on the roof, and CAT5 going out to my work shop, and.. and .. you get the picture!


ah i see, don't want to start a fire now do we :P













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  Reply # 666591 2-Aug-2012 22:31 Send private message

Excellent description - thanks. I am in an area ready to go (Camborne, north of Porirua). Orcon and Snap are options but want to see Telecom's offering as I am with them now.

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  Reply # 666606 2-Aug-2012 23:08 Send private message

gustov:
ascroft: Hi

So what is acting as the DHCP server? The ONT or the wireless router?

Tx.


All the ONT does is convert the fibre-optic light signal to a copper/electric signal. You still need a modem for the Internet.


No, you'll need a _router_, not a modem.
(The ONT is the "modem" in this case)


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  Reply # 666661 3-Aug-2012 01:02 Send private message

sbiddle:
MurrayM: 

I'm a little bit surprised that WorldNet were able to give you a fully pre-configured modem. To do this they must have had your password stored in plaintext somewhere, which sounds like a bit of a security risk to me...


Why would you make that assumption?

Routers can also be easily provisioned remotely using DHCP option 82.



You are also assuming that usernames and passwords are used.
We 'orcon' dont use them for LLU or UFB.

Paul




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  Reply # 666739 3-Aug-2012 09:49 Send private message

ptinson:
sbiddle:
MurrayM: 

I'm a little bit surprised that WorldNet were able to give you a fully pre-configured modem. To do this they must have had your password stored in plaintext somewhere, which sounds like a bit of a security risk to me...


Why would you make that assumption?

Routers can also be easily provisioned remotely using DHCP option 82.



You are also assuming that usernames and passwords are used.
We 'orcon' dont use them for LLU or UFB.

Paul


That's very true.  The only reason I thought a username and password was involved was because the OP said:

staff arrived with a new Linksys wireless modem, all pre-configure with my existing user name and password. I simply had to plug in the modem and I was all ready to go.

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  Reply # 666744 3-Aug-2012 10:01 Send private message

It?s good that you made savings, but were you not aware that you have been able to transfer your landline to Worldnet for quite some time now
Currently on ADSL they offer 45GB+phone for $75 or 100Gb for $89.
In other words, although you saved money by switching that was nothing to do with UFB, you could have made the switch and saved the same at any time.

http://www.worldnet.co.nz/personal/

I also have a question. It?s great to see excelent speed tests but have you noticed an improved performance on a less quantifiable basis? E.g. do you notice youtube loads faster, webpages are faster, etc etc

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  Reply # 666746 3-Aug-2012 10:06 Send private message

Does the data that VOIP uses come out of your monthly data allowance? If so, and you've got a chatterbox in the family, all of your data may go on phone calls!



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  Reply # 666777 3-Aug-2012 10:46 Send private message

MurrayM: Does the data that VOIP uses come out of your monthly data allowance? If so, and you've got a chatterbox in the family, all of your data may go on phone calls!


I asked WorldNet this very question before signing up. They said that yes it does count as part of your datacap allowance but they assured me that even a chatterbox on the 'phone would not use more than a 1Gb in a month.

To put this in context, when I stream live TV from BBC1 or ITV in the UK, it uses about 105Mb each half hour on a low quality setting, and about 220Mb on the high quality setting.

Sometime in the future I will disconnect the Internet from the ONT and make a ten minute phone call and see how much data is used. Others here on the forum can probably comment more knowledgeably on how much data a voice call consumes per minute.

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  Reply # 666784 3-Aug-2012 11:00 Send private message

gustov:
MurrayM: Does the data that VOIP uses come out of your monthly data allowance? If so, and you've got a chatterbox in the family, all of your data may go on phone calls!


I asked WorldNet this very question before signing up. They said that yes it does count as part of your datacap allowance but they assured me that even a chatterbox on the 'phone would not use more than a 1Gb in a month.

To put this in context, when I stream live TV from BBC1 or ITV in the UK, it uses about 105Mb each half hour on a low quality setting, and about 220Mb on the high quality setting.

Sometime in the future I will disconnect the Internet from the ONT and make a ten minute phone call and see how much data is used. Others here on the forum can probably comment more knowledgeably on how much data a voice call consumes per minute.


Thanks for clarifying that, I had an idea that it would count.  I suppose voice wouldn't add up to much, but I remember my mother used to spend at least an hour every day ringing various relatives and friends, so probably 30 hours a month plus some other calls, maybe round it up to 50 hours per month...

I've read that the amount of data used depends on the codec used for the voice call with values between 30Kbps and 90Kbps being common, so that would be between 225KB and 675KB per minute, 13MB and 39MB per hour (rough figures).

I wonder if the ISP's give you any control over the codec you use, so you can lower the quality to use less data.

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  Reply # 666817 3-Aug-2012 11:33 Send private message

MurrayM:
gustov:
MurrayM: Does the data that VOIP uses come out of your monthly data allowance? If so, and you've got a chatterbox in the family, all of your data may go on phone calls!


I asked WorldNet this very question before signing up. They said that yes it does count as part of your datacap allowance but they assured me that even a chatterbox on the 'phone would not use more than a 1Gb in a month.

To put this in context, when I stream live TV from BBC1 or ITV in the UK, it uses about 105Mb each half hour on a low quality setting, and about 220Mb on the high quality setting.

Sometime in the future I will disconnect the Internet from the ONT and make a ten minute phone call and see how much data is used. Others here on the forum can probably comment more knowledgeably on how much data a voice call consumes per minute.


Thanks for clarifying that, I had an idea that it would count.  I suppose voice wouldn't add up to much, but I remember my mother used to spend at least an hour every day ringing various relatives and friends, so probably 30 hours a month plus some other calls, maybe round it up to 50 hours per month...

I've read that the amount of data used depends on the codec used for the voice call with values between 30Kbps and 90Kbps being common, so that would be between 225KB and 675KB per minute, 13MB and 39MB per hour (rough figures).

I wonder if the ISP's give you any control over the codec you use, so you can lower the quality to use less data.

If the customer is concerned about using a measly 39MB per hour of calling and how that eats into their datacap, then maybe they aren;t the kind of people who should consider getting UFB?

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  Reply # 666819 3-Aug-2012 11:40 Send private message

MurrayM:
ptinson:
sbiddle:
MurrayM: 

I'm a little bit surprised that WorldNet were able to give you a fully pre-configured modem. To do this they must have had your password stored in plaintext somewhere, which sounds like a bit of a security risk to me...


Why would you make that assumption?

Routers can also be easily provisioned remotely using DHCP option 82.



You are also assuming that usernames and passwords are used.
We 'orcon' dont use them for LLU or UFB.

Paul


That's very true.  The only reason I thought a username and password was involved was because the OP said:

staff arrived with a new Linksys wireless modem, all pre-configure with my existing user name and password. I simply had to plug in the modem and I was all ready to go.


If i was dropping of a CPE i may say that as well even if it had no user details:) Just an easier conversation to have.





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  Reply # 666822 3-Aug-2012 11:43 Send private message

ptinson:
MurrayM:
ptinson:
sbiddle:
MurrayM: 

I'm a little bit surprised that WorldNet were able to give you a fully pre-configured modem. To do this they must have had your password stored in plaintext somewhere, which sounds like a bit of a security risk to me...


Why would you make that assumption?

Routers can also be easily provisioned remotely using DHCP option 82.



You are also assuming that usernames and passwords are used.
We 'orcon' dont use them for LLU or UFB.

Paul


That's very true.  The only reason I thought a username and password was involved was because the OP said:

staff arrived with a new Linksys wireless modem, all pre-configure with my existing user name and password. I simply had to plug in the modem and I was all ready to go.


If i was dropping of a CPE i may say that as well even if it had no user details:) Just an easier conversation to have.


Yeah, saves having to go into details and explaining things.

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  Reply # 666963 3-Aug-2012 13:27 Send private message

Great post to read, especially since I also live in Grey Lynn and have watched all the infrastructure rollout with interest as well. 

Your post motivated me to call WorldNet because I liked the sound of the ONT feature.  My current ISP (Orcon) has proposed UFB, but they do not take the ONT approach and instead deliver you a VOIP phone and you are left to resolve how your internal legacy copper phone jacks will work (or not)

So, I called WorldNet, they told me that they only had two areas in Auckland currently available (Albany and East Tamaki), armed with your post, I convinced them to re-check (since I had already verified UFB viability via the Orcon site).. low and behold, their call centre scripts were out of date.. and I am now looking to move to WorldNet, despite my aversion for contracts.

Thanks for sharing such an informative post.



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  Reply # 666972 3-Aug-2012 13:45 Send private message

gdkiwi: Great post to read, especially since I also live in Grey Lynn and have watched all the infrastructure rollout with interest as well. 

Your post motivated me to call WorldNet because I liked the sound of the ONT feature.  My current ISP (Orcon) has proposed UFB, but they do not take the ONT approach and instead deliver you a VOIP phone and you are left to resolve how your internal legacy copper phone jacks will work (or not)

So, I called WorldNet, they told me that they only had two areas in Auckland currently available (Albany and East Tamaki), armed with your post, I convinced them to re-check (since I had already verified UFB viability via the Orcon site).. low and behold, their call centre scripts were out of date.. and I am now looking to move to WorldNet, despite my aversion for contracts.

Thanks for sharing such an informative post.


Thank you. I'm surprised at the initial response you received because WorldNet really pursued me to sign up for fibre - they first started calling when the UFB contractors were still just mapping and marking the existing underground services under the footpath.

Yes, I think with the Orcon you get their fibre phone only and no hook up of your existing phones. I imagine term contracts will be standard amongst the providers - Orcon lock you in to 30 June 2014.

You are welcome to come visit and look at our setup. Use the e-mail button on the forum to contact me off-list.

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  Reply # 666979 3-Aug-2012 13:53 Send private message

Good write-up, quite interesting, cheers!




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