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  Reply # 667089 3-Aug-2012 16:52 Send private message

NonprayingMantis: It?s good that you made savings, but were you not aware that you have been able to transfer your landline to Worldnet for quite some time now
Currently on ADSL they offer 45GB+phone for $75 or 100Gb for $89.
In other words, although you saved money by switching that was nothing to do with UFB, you could have made the switch and saved the same at any time.

http://www.worldnet.co.nz/personal/

I also have a question. It?s great to see excelent speed tests but have you noticed an improved performance on a less quantifiable basis? E.g. do you notice youtube loads faster, webpages are faster, etc etc



Yes, I was aware that we could have switched our phone from Telecom over to Worldnet at anytime (they already had all our toll call business), but we also had a second line (for our business) and Telecom originally offered that at a discounted rate, but stopped doing so, maybe about 9 months ago.

In fact just a few months back they made us have both phones put in the same account name (rather than one account in our personal name and one in our business name). They said our rental would increase by about $4 a month if we continued to have separate account names going to the one address, even though they were still happy to send separate accounts in the mail. So we had to change our residential line account name (that we'd had for 20 years) to our business name. Absolute madness and proof that Governments and City Councils do not have a monoply on crazy pointless bureaucracy.

Another consideration in remaining with Telecom was that we paid Telecom's monthly wiring maintenance, so if anything went wrong with the internal copper wiring they came and fixed it without additional charge. With ten jackpoints for ten phones in the house it was not unusual for at least one jackpoint to need replacing each year. Now of course with fibre I will be attending to any repairs myself!

Regarding your final question. I don't notice much increase in web pages loading, especially NZ ones like The Herald, Stuff or Trade Me. Foreign sites seem a little quicker, but I'm not certain about this. And when i download my overnight e-mail in the morning a couple of Mb's will have downloaded before I can reach for my coffee.

Certainly video files like YouTube are retrieved and buffer right to the end very promptly. The real benefit of UFB is most apparent when downloading large files. An overseas hosted 700Mb file takes about 90 seconds, maybe two minutes. I will post some figures during the weekend when I have time to retrieve some larger files.


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  Reply # 667113 3-Aug-2012 17:16 Send private message

Thanks to the OP for the post. Very interesting to see.
I have Orcon UFB but Orcon dont use the Chorus POTS ATA, they provide their own equipment.

Strictly speaking the ONT is not a modem as it doesn't modulate or demodulate signals - its a fully digital device more in the realm of a media convertor or bridge. Its not a dumb device, but its certainly not a modem or router.

If you only wanted one PC to use the internet, then in theory and depending on how your ISP does UFB, you could plug your PC directly into the ONT Gigabit Ethernet port, but then you'd only have one PC online. But it might increase your speed for speedtests as many cheap routers actually cant route packets very fast.

I'd be interested to know how worldnet does authentication on UFB, dhcp or pppoe?

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  Reply # 667289 3-Aug-2012 23:10 Send private message

nice post ! alot of useful information :)

Would you mind running a tracert for League of Legends Server .

216.133.234.17

Thanks :)




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  Reply # 667320 4-Aug-2012 00:39 Send private message

gdkiwi:
Your post motivated me to call WorldNet because I liked the sound of the ONT feature.  My current ISP (Orcon) has proposed UFB, but they do not take the ONT approach and instead deliver you a VOIP phone and you are left to resolve how your internal legacy copper phone jacks will work (or not) 



Voice is no different whether it's delivered over the ONT FXS ports or the Genius FXS ports - you will still need to have this hooked into your existing wiring if you want your existing phones with legacy wiring.


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  Reply # 668038 6-Aug-2012 00:01 Send private message

Great post and photos - I live nearby and am awaiting Chorus to install at my home as part of Vodafone's UFB trial. Will be interesting to compare results.




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  Reply # 671257 12-Aug-2012 01:19 Send private message

Hey, I just have had a crew come through and lay out the fibre and we now have a green wee box just like yours. I am able to confirm my street is completely finished but not my whole area as in the surrounding streets.

So my question is am I able to get fibre installed to my home now or do I need to wait for my whole area/everyone thats connected to my sub exchange to be connected up??

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  Reply # 671260 12-Aug-2012 01:36 Send private message

jackfry: Hey, I just have had a crew come through and lay out the fibre and we now have a green wee box just like yours. I am able to confirm my street is completely finished but not my whole area as in the surrounding streets.

So my question is am I able to get fibre installed to my home now or do I need to wait for my whole area/everyone thats connected to my sub exchange to be connected up??


The online address checker is not 100% accurate so you'll most likely need to call your ISP to have a feasibility test run. Isn't a whole lot of work for them and won't cost you anything to check.

I have heard of some people getting letters about when their street is ready though, have you received one yet?



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  Reply # 671277 12-Aug-2012 08:05 Send private message

jackfry: Hey, I just have had a crew come through and lay out the fibre and we now have a green wee box just like yours. I am able to confirm my street is completely finished but not my whole area as in the surrounding streets.

So my question is am I able to get fibre installed to my home now or do I need to wait for my whole area/everyone thats connected to my sub exchange to be connected up??


The Green box is often the last piece in the jigsaw, signalling your property is either ready, or almost ready for a fibre connection. So long as a Fibre Access Terminal (FAT) has been installed nearby (see picture 1 in my original post) to serve your property (and surrounding others) then you don't need to wait for the whole area to be completed. As each FAT is commissioned the properties it serves become progressivly eligible for fibre.

But the best way to find out is to ask one of workmen already in the street, especially look for a Chorus van/worker (that's if Chorus has the contract for your part of the country) and speak to him. The UFB contract is very compartmentalised so the guys who do the drilling or foothpath repair work wont know, but the Chorus man will.

Finally, don't completely rely on the ISP fibre retailers to give correct information either. A previous poster above (who lives in the next street to me) contacted my ISP to ask about a fibre install and they said fibre wasn't available in Grey Lynn. He had to point the call taker to my original post before they realised fibre was in Grey Lynn and they had already installed it in my home.

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  Reply # 684153 10-Sep-2012 22:18 Send private message

gustov: Yes, I think with the Orcon you get their fibre phone only and no hook up of your existing phones. I imagine term contracts will be standard amongst the providers - Orcon lock you in to 30 June 2014.


I used to be with Orcon on their Genius plan. You can either go for the Genius Lite or the Genius Full. With Genius Full, a phone already comes attached to the bas-unit/modem. With Genius-Lite, you get an iiNet BobLite modem which has voice ports on the back. You can plug any phone into this, not just the one that Orcon tells you to.

Having seen a couple of NZ UFB installs on here and Computerworld, the hybrid cable runs back to the ETP from the ONT. I would assume that, so long as the Orcon modem is onsite at the time, you should be able to get the Chorus installer to patch your Orcon Genius modem's voice ports back to the ETP as an alternative if you like ... thus livening up all the existing jackpoints in the household. Might be tricky if you've opted to locate your Genius modem in an odd location miles away from the ONT. But if it's not too far away from the ONT, I would've thought the installer could work something out for you.

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  Reply # 684166 10-Sep-2012 22:47 Send private message

There is no need to hook your phones back to the ETP. I just unhooked the POTS line at my master jack and plugged the Genius phone port into the nearest phone jack via a standard RJ11 to BT lead. I used a dual adaptor. The jack used happens to be the last in the string - don't know whether that matters or not.

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  Reply # 684682 12-Sep-2012 00:36 Send private message

Our street is being done at moment, holes surrounded by cones etc... the cones have "UNS" stamped on them. Also a large roll of fiber sitting at end of road with Erricson logo stamped on side.

I already wired up our house with ethernet to each room and out to the garage many years ago when we first got broadband (Jetstart) back in 2001, current modem is out in garage with dedicated phone jack labled "JetStream", however will most likely have the fiber come in behind the TV as this seems to be recommended, we'll install router there and then plug into existing ethernet.

Also got an old "cnet" hub I bought from etc computers around the same time getting Jetstart and surprisingly its still going, never missed a beat.

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  Reply # 684689 12-Sep-2012 00:56 Send private message

gareth41: Our street is being done at moment, holes surrounded by cones etc... the cones have "UNS" stamped on them. Also a large roll of fiber sitting at end of road with Erricson logo stamped on side.

I already wired up our house with ethernet to each room and out to the garage many years ago when we first got broadband (Jetstart) back in 2001, current modem is out in garage with dedicated phone jack labled "JetStream", however will most likely have the fiber come in behind the TV as this seems to be recommended, we'll install router there and then plug into existing ethernet.

Also got an old "cnet" hub I bought from etc computers around the same time getting Jetstart and surprisingly its still going, never missed a beat.


Mate if you have got wiring to the garage definately get the ONT located there. That's how it should be. The how behind the tv thing is because most houses don't havea  proper structured cabling like you have done.





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  Reply # 684690 12-Sep-2012 01:17 Send private message

Zeon:
gareth41: Our street is being done at moment, holes surrounded by cones etc... the cones have "UNS" stamped on them. Also a large roll of fiber sitting at end of road with Erricson logo stamped on side.

I already wired up our house with ethernet to each room and out to the garage many years ago when we first got broadband (Jetstart) back in 2001, current modem is out in garage with dedicated phone jack labled "JetStream", however will most likely have the fiber come in behind the TV as this seems to be recommended, we'll install router there and then plug into existing ethernet.

Also got an old "cnet" hub I bought from etc computers around the same time getting Jetstart and surprisingly its still going, never missed a beat.


Mate if you have got wiring to the garage definately get the ONT located there. That's how it should be. The how behind the tv thing is because most houses don't havea  proper structured cabling like you have done.


Thanks for the advice, I did look at doing that but the garage is behind house and fiber would have to somehow go under driveway to get past the house, the driveway meets side of house and fence line so theres absolutely no where to dig, unless they somehow tunnel under.  The driveway is not your average concrete driveway either, its made of stone and probably expensive to replace, its the same on opposite side of house, other fence line theres a path made of same stone from edge of house to fence line.  Theres even more at the back but was fortunately quite narrow across < 1m allowing us to easily tunnel under to put the ethernet from house to garage.  The stone down both sides of house would require tunneling underneath for about 8m.

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  Reply # 684848 12-Sep-2012 11:37 Send private message

Gareth, do you have any softsoil areas around your house?

If you have structured wiring around your house that goes to the garage, you should really look to try to get the ONT located there. It's so much easier to switch your structured cabling around to get the fibre broadband to another location in the house - future proofing and all that - rather than being stuck at the jackpoint behind the TV for the next few decades.

If there's softsoil around the house to the garage, Chorus may do civil-work for you and get the fibre located to the garage instead.

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  Reply # 684878 12-Sep-2012 12:04 Send private message

Directional drilling is an option for laying fiber to your garage without digging up the driveway.

Consult a directional driller for an opinion.

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