UFB and Shared Driveway(s)

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merknz

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Topic # 108416 29-Aug-2012 10:48
I know that Chorus do not currently install into any location with a Shared Driveway (even though the website says they do) and consequently none of the UFB ISPs will offer this. I've read some of the posts here on the same topic with interest , considering there are a number of built up areas in cities where shared driveways are common It appears its not a works issue but a process issue for deriving consent from the other owners. I'd like to update this post as/when questions are answered, as I think this will be important as more people find out the street is fibre enabled, but they can't have it, the advertising from ISPs gloss over this fact (obviously, because its advertising, thats the point.) 1. What if there are already individual conduits going into the other properties? Does Chorus need to trench? 2. What if people source their own consent from the other property owners? 3. What if BOTH property owners want to have fibre installed? From reading it appears that the process issue will not be resolved this year (2012). Orcon Website: WE’RE SORRY OUR SUPPLIERS CAN’T CURRENTLY INSTALL FIBRE DOWN SHARED DRIVEWAYS From Snap:Q: My house shares a driveway with some other houses. Am I able to get UFB? A: Yes you will in the future but at this time the process for connecting houses with shared driveways and Multiple Dwelling Units has not been defined so it may take longer than normal. We will still be happy to investigate the possibilities in your case as not every situation is the same.

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Reply # 678655 29-Aug-2012 10:55
Eh? Are you sure about this? Most of houses in Auckland have shared driveways, but should have separate ducts with existing copper lines.

linw

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Reply # 678657 29-Aug-2012 10:58
Worthwhile thread. I'm not affected but there are large numbers who are.

Chainsaw

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Reply # 679227 30-Aug-2012 12:52
Mostly, if there is a shared driveway, then all/some/a lot of other services already will run along that same driveway. Therefore in those cases there should also be an easement in favour of the parties accessed by the driveway, over the other parties' part of the driveway, allowing for telecommunications supply. In other words the Right of Way easement is also most likely to be a Telecommunications Supply easement as well. Therefore to supply telecommunications cables to your house down the driveway would be a right and would not require consent of the other owners. But check you have the correct easements in place before proceeding, read the document, and of course, have a word to the neighbours first!

berry

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Reply # 684384 11-Sep-2012 14:09
We are on a shared driveway in Auckland (each house owns a strip, with ROW over each other's strips) and we are going through the process of getting fibre through Vodafone/Chorus. Chorus sent consent letters to everyone on the driveway and I think 3 out of 4 houses are getting the install done as well. We all had to sign the letters and return to Chorus directly. We are part of the vodafone trial so maybe they are using us to try out the shared driveway scenario?? The current copper setup is underground for the first ~15 metres and then up a pole to overhead lines which go to each house. Chorus were out last week and said they will be drilling a new run for the fibre as the existing copper one is too small to use (second hand info here!). They are supposedly doing it this week, so hopefully I will be able to confirm soon that shared driveways are do-able!

ChorusVan

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Reply # 684467 11-Sep-2012 16:31
Yes, we do install UFB to homes living down Rights of Ways (ROWs) and into Multi Dwelling Units (MDUs). Delivering fibre to these type of sites can be complicated and take a little longer as we require consents to do the work. But we are deploying to these kind of sites today and are working with retail service providers to learn from each install. Together we're building New Zealand's fibre future

gjen

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Reply # 684710 12-Sep-2012 08:11
I'm down a ROW and have been installed by the process as in consents signed etc. I did have to follow up with neigbours and re-assure them that the world will carry on spinning if they sign... Thanks Chorus, great Job

gareth41

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Reply # 685515 13-Sep-2012 12:31
I did have to follow up with neigbours and re-assure them that the world will carry on spinning if they sign... Thanks Chorus, great Job It might stop spinning on Dec 21st

Zeon

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Reply # 685518 13-Sep-2012 12:41
I'm getting an install down in Albany with about 40 titles on the same driveway =p. it should have ducting already though and I think one landlord owns most of the units.

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Reply # 690681 24-Sep-2012 15:32
Zeon: I'm getting an install down in Albany with about 40 titles on the same driveway =p. it should have ducting already though and I think one landlord owns most of the units. I'm also going to be attempting this in Albany shortly, let me know how you get on with yours

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Reply # 691396 25-Sep-2012 22:19
Na they won't do the install. Shared driveway and a MDU. Flipping dumb asses though, apparently they went and knocked on the door and the person who answered didn't know what they were talking about. The thing is it wasn't our door they knocked on even though we have signage in the windows with our name clearly printed. LOL. Our Orcon account managed said "Chorus take a very dim view to this" - more like Chorus are very dim!

LWJCarroll

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Reply # 693237 29-Sep-2012 02:10
We have a shared drive here but the common use includes telecoms connections...so I don't really see why Chorus think they have to get signed consents from all the property owners..???...Just covering themselves perhaps..?? I assumed it meant no one could object etc...its shown on the house plans here (new house) and is part of the legal definitions for the house property here... Regards Laurie

Yogi02

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Reply # 693263 29-Sep-2012 07:51
I saw something on Close Up the other day about UFB installations on shared driveways. Apparently in Auckland Chorus are only paid for up to 15m of a connection. I am guessing that if that is exceeded then they have to be paid extra. The issue currently is over who pays? Local Government / Government / Teleco / User Pays? I am guessing the consent is a combination of covering arse if there is damage or split charging for installing cable down the driveway The UFB was initially rolled out as a no connection fee project but have found that an average domestic connection on average is taking 4.5 hours and up to 9 hours for some houses.

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Reply # 693265 29-Sep-2012 07:58
Yogi02: I saw something on Close Up the other day about UFB installations on shared driveways. Apparently in Auckland Chorus are only paid for up to 15m of a connection. I am guessing that if that is exceeded then they have to be paid extra. The issue currently is over who pays? Local Government / Government / Teleco / User Pays? I am guessing the consent is a combination of covering arse if there is damage or split charging for installing cable down the driveway The UFB was initially rolled out as a no connection fee project but have found that an average domestic connection on average is taking 4.5 hours and up to 9 hours for some houses. The issue isn't just about price, it's primararily one of ownership. Ownership of shared driveways varies significantly, and permission is required by the landowner before work can occur. If it is shared between all residents then clearly permission from all residents is required before work such as digging it up can occur. While UFB was pitched as a "free install" by some people, there was never anything in pricebooks to suggest that this would be the case, it was more of an assumption by some people, and the simple fact that UFB uptake would be minimal if the true cost of an install and hardware which could be anything from $1000 - $2000 fo an average premise was passed on directly to the consumer. I still predict a major shakeup of the whole LFC scene in the next couple of years, based upon the fact Chorus are IMHO the only provider (technically they aren't an LFC) who really has any idea how much this rollout will cost and the true cost of installs and truck rolls. Each of the LFC's are going to run out of cash very quickly with their current business model of only being paid when customers sign up. *Need help configuring your Linksys ATA or IP Phones for New Zealand? Check my blog post

johny99

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Reply # 693268 29-Sep-2012 08:07
so i own a house down a 50m driveway i dont want or have the coin to pay the additional ufb install charge what happens when copper is grandfathered or rq'd?

johny99

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Reply # 693281 29-Sep-2012 08:26
that was a hypothetical example but im sure there will be a vast majority of people that will have that view

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