phone lines over ufb

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hamish225

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Topic # 109788 26-Sep-2012 17:48
so it seems rediculous that anyone wouldn't get internet over the UFB network, but how much would it cost to just have a voip line and no other data allowed over ones UFB conection, say if a little old lady who hated the internet wanted a cheaper phone line... WOULD it even be cheaper than the ~50/ month everyone is currently being charged by chorus, and would it compete with telstra clear's $30 something/ month phone line service? Personally when i move out from my dad's i plan to move into an area with ufb and just get internet, no phone lines in my house, since no body calls me anyway :P

DarthKermit

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Reply # 691843 26-Sep-2012 18:01
We're not planning on getting UFB any time soon. Chorus are presently installing the cables in the adjacent streets to us. If we upgrade to new computers we could look at it some day.

NonprayingMantis

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Reply # 691877 26-Sep-2012 19:33
if you only want a phone line (no internet) then it would be a lot easier and cheaper to stick with copper. any telco that wants to sell fibre (even if it is just for voice, no internet) has to pay the LFC (Chorus usually) $37.50 per month, so it's extremely unlikely they would be willing to install fibre and sell a voice only connection for less than $50. (since their revenue from the plan would only bve a measly $43 ex GST, giving them $5.50 to cover ALL of their other costs.)

plambrechtsen

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Reply # 691896 26-Sep-2012 20:29
NonprayingMantis: if you only want a phone line (no internet) then it would be a lot easier and cheaper to stick with copper. any telco that wants to sell fibre (even if it is just for voice, no internet) has to pay the LFC (Chorus usually) $37.50 per month, so it's extremely unlikely they would be willing to install fibre and sell a voice only connection for less than $50. (since their revenue from the plan would only bve a measly $43 ex GST, giving them $5.50 to cover ALL of their other costs.) Not sure how the pricing differs if the LFC (Chorus) offers just ATA Voice service if you were thinking a RSP would offer VoIP using their own CPE over Broadband... But I agree you would be pretty had pressed to find a Retailer who would offer a pure voice without any bundled broadband service. I work for Telecom, but as always my views are my own.

sbiddle

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Reply # 691897 26-Sep-2012 20:30
The wholesale price to ISP's is $25 per month for a voice only service. There is nothing secret about this pricing either and you can see it for yourself on any of a number of sites that host UFB/LFC pricing. *Need help configuring your Linksys ATA or IP Phones for New Zealand? Check my blog post

NonprayingMantis

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Reply # 691912 26-Sep-2012 21:11
sbiddle: The wholesale price to ISP's is $25 per month for a voice only service. There is nothing secret about this pricing either and you can see it for yourself on any of a number of sites that host UFB/LFC pricing. I stand corrected and bow to your superior knowledge

wired

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Reply # 692007 27-Sep-2012 08:31
As said in other threads, this is only provided in greenfield locations. That is, where there is no copper service. You can't ditch the copper and just get a telephone over fibre in an already established area.

sbiddle

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Reply # 692024 27-Sep-2012 09:08
wired: As said in other threads, this is only provided in greenfield locations. That is, where there is no copper service. You can't ditch the copper and just get a telephone over fibre in an already established area. Incorrect. Voice only is a UFB option, and is in all the UFB/LFC price plans. Normal contract terms will apply. Whether any ISP's take up the service is another option entirely. *Need help configuring your Linksys ATA or IP Phones for New Zealand? Check my blog post

Zeon

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Reply # 692028 27-Sep-2012 09:11
How much does the Vodafone "virtual landline" service cost? Could be a cheaper alternative?

oxnsox

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Reply # 692030 27-Sep-2012 09:18
Its called Home phone wireless and pricing seems to start about $25 a month. But the real savings are in call costs if you make lots of national calls and take the right options. More info here: http://www.vodafone.co.nz/home-phone/ Edit price after I looked at site.

NonprayingMantis

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Reply # 692035 27-Sep-2012 09:27
oxnsox: Its called Home phone wireless and pricing seems to start about $25 a month. But the real savings are in call costs if you make lots of national calls and take the right options. More info here: http://www.vodafone.co.nz/home-phone/ Edit price after I looked at site. yeah that would be the cheapest, although it uses the mobile network, so if the aformentioned 'little old lady' wanted PSTN that wouldn't be an option. If she was Ok with mobile and didn't make heaps of local calls, then just use a prepaid mobile. you can get 100 minutes for $20 per month

oxnsox

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Reply # 692064 27-Sep-2012 10:00
NonprayingMantis: oxnsox: Its called Home phone wireless and pricing seems to start about $25 a month. But the real savings are in call costs if you make lots of national calls and take the right options. More info here: http://www.vodafone.co.nz/home-phone/ Edit price after I looked at site. yeah that would be the cheapest, although it uses the mobile network, so if the aformentioned 'little old lady' wanted PSTN that wouldn't be an option. If she was Ok with mobile and didn't make heaps of local calls, then just use a prepaid mobile. you can get 100 minutes for $20 per month That appears to be a popular misconception with this product from my view It uses a local (fixed line) number and call charging is based on any similar local fixed line charges (ie: you're not paying per call within a local area). Incoming calls are the same as incoming from any fixed line (ie: there is no additional charge to you or them). But yes it uses the cellular network, and thats where folk get confused I think, that plus the VF website. Now back on-topic.

wired

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Reply # 692646 28-Sep-2012 08:17
sbiddle: wired: As said in other threads, this is only provided in greenfield locations. That is, where there is no copper service. You can't ditch the copper and just get a telephone over fibre in an already established area. Incorrect. Voice only is a UFB option, and is in all the UFB/LFC price plans. Normal contract terms will apply. Whether any ISP's take up the service is another option entirely. The version of the price book that I saw said: Voice only service. (Greenfields only) Standard monthly rental. Cannot be provided with a Bitstream 2, Bitstream 3 or Bitstream 3A Service Template. Hence my comment about why you can only get it in greenfield areas. It seems to have been included so that if Chorus didn't put in a copper service then people can still get a voice only via the LFC. Of course the TSO may mean that a non-copper subdivision may be a rare thing but Chorus may elect to put in fibre in a non-Chorus area to comply with the TSO. If it is established area, then you must buy a Bitstream 2 as a minimum at $37.50 which comes with a phone line service.

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Reply # 693984 1-Oct-2012 10:58
As i understand, the voice only option uses the voice port on the ONT and requires the telephone service provider to put in special infrastructure on their end to make it work. I doubt most would do this and prefer just to use voip over the broadband portion of a UFB connection. Ray Taylor Napier, NZ www.taylorcommunications.co.nz