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Topic # 114297 15-Feb-2013 08:26 Send private message

Simon Moutter has confirmed Telecom will launch UFB services next month.

http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/telecom-boss-residential-fibre-launch-next-month-ck-135805

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  Reply # 762753 15-Feb-2013 08:40 Send private message

I wonder when they are going to launch a VDSL product?
We are a long way off UFB, but apparently VDSL2 is available off the exchange. I quite like Telecom's service and havae no problem with their current plans. I'd hope that a VDSL offering would be competitive and easy.

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  Reply # 762766 15-Feb-2013 08:54 One person supports this post Send private message

I asked Simon about VDSL at the same event - he said he's keen to offer it because it's a natural stepping stone to fibre. If you aren't getting fibre for the next six years, as many will find, you're better off with VDSL in the short term.

He's keen... every ISP I've spoken to is keen. So what's the hold up?



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  Reply # 762767 15-Feb-2013 08:57 Send private message

PaulBrislen: I asked Simon about VDSL at the same event - he said he's keen to offer it because it's a natural stepping stone to fibre. If you aren't getting fibre for the next six years, as many will find, you're better off with VDSL in the short term.

He's keen... every ISP I've spoken to is keen. So what's the hold up?


Strange isn't it. Telecom seems to have a history of not supporting products that it itself launched to the marketplace: BoF, VDSL, UFB (so far), naked DSL...

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  Reply # 762768 15-Feb-2013 08:57 Send private message

If you folks had paid attention the last couple of weeks there were some signs here. But I can't poi t un a specific direction or thread.




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  Reply # 762774 15-Feb-2013 09:02 Send private message

"Simon Moutter has confirmed Telecom will launch UFB services next month."

Not round my part of Auckland it's not. Scheduled for something like 2019..




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  Reply # 762776 15-Feb-2013 09:04 Send private message

Mine too - but that's not Telecom, or any RSP's fault, that's just the way the deployment is rolling.

Chorus has to build out 70% of the population and prioritise schools, hospitals then business, then us.

Can't all be in the first wave. I'm not on the list at all, so who knows when I'll get it.



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  Reply # 762777 15-Feb-2013 09:06 Send private message

freitasm: If you folks had paid attention the last couple of weeks there were some signs here. But I can't poi t un a specific direction or thread.


Still good to get the official word though.

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  Reply # 762779 15-Feb-2013 09:07 Send private message

Sure is. Lots will change this Feb and Mar...




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  Reply # 762820 15-Feb-2013 09:41 Send private message

Telecom is working on and testing a VDSL product but no release date has yet been set. I don't believe you will have to wait too long, I can't say any more than that sorry.




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  Reply # 762847 15-Feb-2013 10:10 Send private message

The fundamental issue most large ISP's are facing with VDSL2 is how to manage something that isn't a mass market product.

The simple reality is a master filter is mandatory for VDSL2 or a new install with dedicated jackpoint. This is a cost of between $200 - $300 passed on to an ISP from Chorus.

On top of this you've got to look at VDSL2 modem options with the real world reality of modems costing 10x what a cheap mass market ADLS2+ device costs. Modems need to be able to be integrated with current back end provisioning systems.

How big is the market when the up front costs will typically be around the $500 mark? An ISP can't absorb this on a mass market low margin residential plan so much of this cost needs to be passed on the end user in one way or another.


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  Reply # 762860 15-Feb-2013 10:26 Send private message

Down here in Christchurch we are finding a good uptake with VDSL. We market it as a no data cap service which is ideal for businesses moving lots of files. Here in Ferrymead we are getting 30 down and around 15 up.

Realistically, UFB is at least 2 years away (or longer) for a lot of Christchurch businesses so VDSL makes a lot of sense.

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  Reply # 763290 15-Feb-2013 23:33 Send private message

Back in November when I was pricing options for UFB for my school - I was clearly told by the Telecom sales desk that there were no VDSL products they could sell to me. And at that time there was no fibre product to sell me. I would have to talk to someone else.

Our ADSL provision was via Telecom - so was keen to stay with them. Good service. 

As it was - have signed up our school with Snap - on a 12 month contract.

Totally aware that Telecom are releasing product this month or next month. Also aware that the N4L is coming and will be an interesting offering.

But just really glad fibre is now lit and we can start making use of it. Not saying it will unleash learning, as the hype machine promises - but it will assist how we're learning to do and deliver what we do.

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  Reply # 763324 16-Feb-2013 07:44 Send private message

PaulBrislen: 
He's keen... every ISP I've spoken to is keen. So what's the hold up?


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  Reply # 765934 19-Feb-2013 20:15 Send private message

sbiddle: The fundamental issue most large ISP's are facing with VDSL2 is how to manage something that isn't a mass market product.

The simple reality is a master filter is mandatory for VDSL2 or a new install with dedicated jackpoint. This is a cost of between $200 - $300 passed on to an ISP from Chorus.

On top of this you've got to look at VDSL2 modem options with the real world reality of modems costing 10x what a cheap mass market ADLS2+ device costs. Modems need to be able to be integrated with current back end provisioning systems.

How big is the market when the up front costs will typically be around the $500 mark? An ISP can't absorb this on a mass market low margin residential plan so much of this cost needs to be passed on the end user in one way or another.



I think Steve sums it up very nicely.  Me as an example, is close enough to a VDSL2 cabinet to get VDSL2.  However, I am getting very good ADSL2+ speed already, the only think I don't like now is the ~1Mbps upload, so it is a pain to upload photos and video.

So VDSL2 will be fantastic, but it will cost me around $400 to $500 to get a master filter installed, plus a VDSL2 modem or modem / router combo.  On top of that, VDSL2 plan are more expensive than ADSL2+ ($20 to $50 more expensive?  I can't remember).  So, at the point of time, I don't think VDSL2 is a value for money option for ordinary people like me.

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  Reply # 765936 19-Feb-2013 20:22 Send private message

AKLWestie:
sbiddle: The fundamental issue most large ISP's are facing with VDSL2 is how to manage something that isn't a mass market product.

The simple reality is a master filter is mandatory for VDSL2 or a new install with dedicated jackpoint. This is a cost of between $200 - $300 passed on to an ISP from Chorus.

On top of this you've got to look at VDSL2 modem options with the real world reality of modems costing 10x what a cheap mass market ADLS2+ device costs. Modems need to be able to be integrated with current back end provisioning systems.

How big is the market when the up front costs will typically be around the $500 mark? An ISP can't absorb this on a mass market low margin residential plan so much of this cost needs to be passed on the end user in one way or another.



I think Steve sums it up very nicely.  Me as an example, is close enough to a VDSL2 cabinet to get VDSL2.  However, I am getting very good ADSL2+ speed already, the only think I don't like now is the ~1Mbps upload, so it is a pain to upload photos and video.

So VDSL2 will be fantastic, but it will cost me around $400 to $500 to get a master filter installed, plus a VDSL2 modem or modem / router combo.  On top of that, VDSL2 plan are more expensive than ADSL2+ ($20 to $50 more expensive?  I can't remember).  So, at the point of time, I don't think VDSL2 is a value for money option for ordinary people like me.


I think their is another point here as well as the extra costs. The people who are in range of VDSL2 are already close to a cabinet so excluding house wiring will be getting very good ADSL2+ speeds, so the only real world benefit is the faster upload. Really I imagine most people would not be keen to pay $500+ for the extra upload when fibre could be at their door in a few years time.

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