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  Reply # 765330 18-Feb-2013 18:43 Send private message

the only thing thats above ground is the street lights,all power lines are under ground.

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  Reply # 765361 18-Feb-2013 19:34 Send private message

graemeh:
antoniosk: Picture of where it MIGHT be able to be placed.....

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They could just remove that redundant cable at the bottom and replace it with modern fibre Tongue Out


I'm sure chorus plan to do that in 2019. In the meantime cable goes to 100mbps without much effort, and everything seems to work without any real problems....

I just hope the ont gets replaced with something smaller and more efficient. That radiator currently in use is pretty ugly....




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  Reply # 765366 18-Feb-2013 19:50 Send private message

my area - mt eden, auckland - would be very expensive to underground. its full of volcanic rock. if you get Gas connected in auckland its typically free - unless you like in a 'rock' area like mt eden. i was able to get gas connected for free, but only because i dug the trench myself! (i'd be happy to dig my own trench for fibre too if i had to....)




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  Reply # 765370 18-Feb-2013 20:08 Send private message

SATTV:
When the power companies decide to bury the power cable, the fiber cables can be buries at the same time. Yes it is double handling but it is far more cost efficient as the fiber cables can be run with the power cables as there is no induction to worry about.


Technically, no problem with power and fibre coexisting - however, how many Chorus fibre technicians are qualified to work in pedestals with live 240V power or would it be cost-effective to train them?

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  Reply # 765444 18-Feb-2013 22:02 Send private message

What I saw in my street last year was UFB fibre undergrounded from the cabinet to the Fibre Access Terminal (FAT), then undergrounded to the base of the power pole. It was then run up the power pole, and across to the house. This is in line with existing phone lines.

I was also advised that council rules meant that since they were running something new from the street to the house, one old cable had to be removed, so an old (unused) phone line was removed.

Details of my UFB install are here.




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  Reply # 765501 18-Feb-2013 22:50 Send private message

nickb800:
SATTV:
When the power companies decide to bury the power cable, the fiber cables can be buries at the same time. Yes it is double handling but it is far more cost efficient as the fiber cables can be run with the power cables as there is no induction to worry about.


Technically, no problem with power and fibre coexisting - however, how many Chorus fibre technicians are qualified to work in pedestals with live 240V power or would it be cost-effective to train them?


The same way as they do it now. they bring it up on to different plynths.
If you look in howick and glenfield you have power, phones and cable TV all underground and all in different plynths. ( The cable TV was ex telecom circa 1995 and only lasted 6 months before they pulled the plug, Sky was about to start broadcasting by satellite and I think that put the nail in that coffin )




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  Reply # 765512 18-Feb-2013 23:24 Send private message

I think it is absolutely ludicrous. Multi billion dollar network strung with with power and phone cables from the 50s.

As sbiddle mentioned, they are doing a hell of a lot of trenching anyway so why not just dig the whole thing? I know there reasoning will be because it will mean a dig from the boundary to house on every install in these areas but who cares? I sure as hell dont want anymore cables coming across to my place. I am on one of the few streets in palmy with OH power, phone is UG though. When Chorus get here they sure as hell wont be hanging a drop lead across. It will be trenched. It is just so dam ugly as well. I drive around Wellington wondering how Telstra can be proud of their HFC network when it looks like it does.

For everyday stuff UG has far less fault potential. I do realise that UG is harder to fix when something goes wrong but Intend to think the everyday stuff is what we want to avoid over the big faults as everyday interruptions is what annoys the customer. Of course a careless digger driver annoys the customer too but it is far from a common occurrence.

Edit: As for Chorus techs working on power poles it is a non-issue. Lots of poles have both services on them already.

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  Reply # 765516 19-Feb-2013 00:15 Send private message

chevrolux: I think it is absolutely ludicrous. Multi billion dollar network strung with with power and phone cables from the 50s.

As sbiddle mentioned, they are doing a hell of a lot of trenching anyway so why not just dig the whole thing?


take a suburb like mt eden, for example.

if it costs $200m to dig the fibre in using rockbreaking equipment versus $10m to hang it from poles, and you're in a hurry, which options is going to get the tick?

(actually i think we, in mt eden, already have underground phone cables, and only power overhead)





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  Reply # 765523 19-Feb-2013 00:40 Send private message

chevrolux: I think it is absolutely ludicrous. Multi billion dollar network strung with with power and phone cables from the 50s.

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I believe this is how most countries have done or are doing their ftth. It's just so much cheaper to do it that way, especially in rocky areas.

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  Reply # 765530 19-Feb-2013 07:10 Send private message

risk of theft?



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  Reply # 765533 19-Feb-2013 07:17 Send private message

chevrolux: When Chorus get here they sure as hell wont be hanging a drop lead across. It will be trenched. It is just so dam ugly as well.


Would you be prepared to dig your own trench to your house if Chorus bitched about the cost of going underground?

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  Reply # 765544 19-Feb-2013 07:47 Send private message

joker97: risk of theft?


Nobody steals existing copper now. While lifespan is an issue, TCL's HFC network has now been overhead in Wellington and Kapiti for ~15 years and Christchurch for a few years less, and the number of major outages due to overhead cabling has been pretty minimal.

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  Reply # 765554 19-Feb-2013 08:14 Send private message

nickb800:
SATTV:
When the power companies decide to bury the power cable, the fiber cables can be buries at the same time. Yes it is double handling but it is far more cost efficient as the fiber cables can be run with the power cables as there is no induction to worry about.


Technically, no problem with power and fibre coexisting - however, how many Chorus fibre technicians are qualified to work in pedestals with live 240V power or would it be cost-effective to train them?


They install separate ducts for power and fibre to get around that problem.

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  Reply # 765558 19-Feb-2013 08:23 Send private message

Overhead is a non issue as far as I am concerned.
I have been living in this house since 2004 and we have not had one outage of power or phones caused by overhead wiring.

I would absolutly dig a trench if I was asked to. if it meant I would get FTTH faster.




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  Reply # 765565 19-Feb-2013 08:48 Send private message

Regs:
chevrolux: I think it is absolutely ludicrous. Multi billion dollar network strung with with power and phone cables from the 50s.

As sbiddle mentioned, they are doing a hell of a lot of trenching anyway so why not just dig the whole thing?


take a suburb like mt eden, for example.

if it costs $200m to dig the fibre in using rockbreaking equipment versus $10m to hang it from poles, and you're in a hurry, which options is going to get the tick?

(actually i think we, in mt eden, already have underground phone cables, and only power overhead)



Exactly.  When I lived in Papatoetoe, south Auckland about 2005 the power company came and replaced all the power poles in our street so going underground here would be a long way off.  Even the fone line from the CT was overhead so doing fiber the same way I don't have a problem with.   Now I'm in Pt Chev  our street is all underground but all the side streets have power  on poles but fone underground..




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