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  Reply # 962581 7-Jan-2014 16:57 Send private message

freitasm: Ah, so now some people are waking up to the reality: New Zealand Internet is not that bad as some like to say... Considering the size and density of this country, we have some good deployments.

UFB take up is another story but in terms of existing Internet, ours is good in the sense that a majority of homes get good speeds, with only rural areas in need of some upgrades (conklins) but with RBI in sight.



The recently freed up analogue TV frequencies should help with better coverage for 4G in rural areas too.

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  Reply # 962582 7-Jan-2014 16:59 Send private message


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  Reply # 962596 7-Jan-2014 17:51 One person supports this post Send private message

NBN availability. This area has over 100,000 people.



Most of the rest of the area is ADSL1 with a couple of patches of cable.

The blue bit (currently available) covers a couple of blocks of empty land.





There's no VDSL. Most people would be connected under 6Mbs. (except the bunnies, lizards, snakes and spiders in the empty bit, they can have 100/40)

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  Reply # 963028 8-Jan-2014 09:32 Send private message

freitasm: Ah, so now some people are waking up to the reality: New Zealand Internet is not that bad as some like to say... Considering the size and density of this country, we have some good deployments.

UFB take up is another story but in terms of existing Internet, ours is good in the sense that a majority of homes get good speeds, with only rural areas in need of some upgrades (conklins) but with RBI in sight.





Actually ASAMs are just as bad too and over subscribed.

People I know still on these are now experiencing sub 1 Mbps speeds.
AKA no good for Skype, you tube etc.

They also tell me now that speeds are sub 512 Kbps and getting into territory where simple web pages are taking a long time to load.  (Im guessing sub 256 Kbps territory)







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  Reply # 963031 8-Jan-2014 09:35 Send private message

You would have thought that the major cities in Australia would have got the NBN first, given that, as you say, most city dwellers seem to be stuck on ADSL1.

I understand Australia is a massive lump of land, and outside of the cities, very sparsely populated (making rural hard to do), which is why I am a little baffled they haven't done the big cities.

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  Reply # 963070 8-Jan-2014 10:06 Send private message

I wonder if the aussie nbn debacle is just a symptom of their economic decline.

Last time I visited Aussie, their state of internet was awful (in hotels / apartments etc). And it was not that easy to get a 3g sim either, due to the anti-criminal documentation checks.



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  Reply # 963075 8-Jan-2014 10:11 Send private message

I had no issues getting a Sim last time I was there. Did have to provide an address (hotel) and ID.

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  Reply # 963095 8-Jan-2014 10:30 Send private message

trig42: You would have thought that the major cities in Australia would have got the NBN first


Why? In the first few years both here and there target easy/cheap areas are done as proof on concepts and to iron out rollout procedures and issues.  

Deploying fibre in cities is expensive and disruptive.

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  Reply # 963122 8-Jan-2014 10:55 2 people support this post Send private message

surfisup1000: I wonder if the aussie nbn debacle is just a symptom of their economic decline.

Last time I visited Aussie, their state of internet was awful (in hotels / apartments etc). And it was not that easy to get a 3g sim either, due to the anti-criminal documentation checks.


While we have some interesting future prospects, particularly in 2014, in consideration of the current wage disparity, buying power, and currency disparity, I don't think we're quite at the point where we can talk about anyone's economic decline.

I have no doubt FTTH is the correct approach, but I think sometimes we overlook just how significant a project this is. The capital expense of the copper PSTN network over the years is tremendous. We're talking about no less than replacing an entire country's copper PSTN network.
As that copper ages, the rate of faults in the copper network overall goes up, so the maintenance costs go up. You also need to remember that the price of copper is going up significantly faster than the price of plastic and glass, driven by consumer electronics requirements.
We need to do this, but I think we also need to explain to every Kiwi why we're doing this - we can't just keep patching up the copper network and making it cheaper; it needs to die.

I, like many Kiwis, want to see the price of products and services fall - especially when you consider what's available overseas.

But - I understand enough about how these networks operate to say that the price cuts on copper are ill-advised and will slow down fibre deployment. I do not support cutting the price of copper services, it doesn't follow the real world expenses of this network.

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  Reply # 963383 8-Jan-2014 17:44 Send private message

trig42: You would have thought that the major cities in Australia would have got the NBN first, given that, as you say, most city dwellers seem to be stuck on ADSL1.

I understand Australia is a massive lump of land, and outside of the cities, very sparsely populated (making rural hard to do), which is why I am a little baffled they haven't done the big cities.


Until the last election, that map showed most of that area was due in the next 2 years... NBN has become a joke.

surfisup1000: 
Last time I visited Aussie, their state of internet was awful (in hotels / apartments etc). And it was not that easy to get a 3g sim either, due to the anti-criminal documentation checks.

All you need to get a SIM is some ID. You can buy them at a supermarket, petrol station, convenience store, etc. Takes about 30 seconds unless you go to an actual phone shop. Most supermarkets will even sell you a phone.

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  Reply # 978486 1-Feb-2014 11:51 Send private message

Ragnor:
trig42: 

Did our Government go down the right path?

Will it become a Political Football in the election?

What more needs to be done?


We are on a pretty good path, a lot of the stuff around the regulated copper price is just grandstanding on both sides.

I'm confident with either major party in power UFB will be fine, Joyce in National and Cunliffe in Labour, remember Cunliffe oversaw separation of Telecom etc.

We could have gone a step further an made the layer 1 stuff a SEO as it's pretty much a public good like roads or power lines but Chorus is tightly regulated so no as much chance of a repeat of Telecom in the 90's underinvesting and making out like bandits.




Ozzy's main problem was that Labour government over there chose to do it as a government owned monopoly that was also allowed to undercut private network providers for new housing developments, so ended up as a lose-lose even for companies like TransACT that already had fibre networks. I think we gave too much of the project to Chorus so it may end up less than ideal anyway.

I agree Layer 1 would have been nice but the argument was that Layer 1 (pipes and dark fibre) would be cherry picked and leave less profitable areas with only 1 service provider anyway. Perhaps the answer would have been to sponsor a Layer 2 or 3 wholesale "provider of last resort" that would have enabled smaller providers to be more or less equal competitors. Another option would have been home-run fibre, so that Layer 2 equipment (ethernet backhaul links and OLT chassis) could share the same footprint as the splitter trays where smaller ISPs would have found economies of scale to be impossible.

The irony is that Chorus and the others argued that they should provide the Layer 2 network because its profits had to subsidise the UFB project, but now they say the legacy phone network was subsidising it when the whole point should be to eventually phase out the phone lines.




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  Reply # 979745 3-Feb-2014 22:04 Send private message

freitasm: Ah, so now some people are waking up to the reality: New Zealand Internet is not that bad as some like to say... Considering the size and density of this country, we have some good deployments.

UFB take up is another story but in terms of existing Internet, ours is good in the sense that a majority of homes get good speeds, with only rural areas in need of some upgrades (conklins) but with RBI in sight.


Last number I heard there were 800 or so still out there after RBI was done. So at a Conklin servicing sub 64 customers, that's a whole lot of new fibre that has to be trenched all over the country to really remote places to service a very small number of customers who can only be charged a regulated amount. And then the ASAMs on-top of that many of which are being upgraded under RBI.

The main problem is there is a high expectation of better than what we have today at a lower price that makes investment in new technology rather challenging.

My previous post on how to improve things in this country. Still stand behind that.




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  Reply # 979830 3-Feb-2014 23:31 Send private message

Whangarei is excellent, thanks to Northpower fiber.
Whangarei Fiber Coverage

I am assuming it's a much different scenario though as Northpower are running a lot of their fiber along their powerlines.

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  Reply # 982839 9-Feb-2014 18:14 Send private message

I am sure thankful that Ultrafast fibre are doing free installations until 2019 according to that article as it was going to be March 2016 before we got fibre here and didnt know if the installations would still be free or not. As they are building new units on a piece of land up the street abit it now looks like they have bought our fibre date back to July next year. Looking forward to it.

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  Reply # 983507 10-Feb-2014 17:46 Send private message

I think that NZ has done very well in rolling out fibre to cities and towns, but there is room for improvement for those who will likely never get fibre. I'm still on ADSL1 not far from Hamilton, and no-one from Chorus seems to know if that'll ever change. I'm just super jealous of those who have a UFB connection going down their street.

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