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  Reply # 1079011 2-Jul-2014 23:49 Send private message

richms:
andrewNZ:
And who are you going to get to do that?

No one is allowed to touch it except Chorus (I'm assuming it's their network), and contacting/contracting them directly is near enough to impossible.
At least part of an install is supposed to be subsidised. There will likely be no part of that install that is reusable so the cost will be for an install from scratch, AND it'll cost more to undo what's been done.


Any directional drilling or trenching company can push chorus conduit thru to their spec, and then chorus come out and move services over to the new conduit.

They have an install. It is working. If they had requirements about the aesthetics of the install it should have been discussed with chorus before the installation and the private contractor arranged for anything above spec of what chorus would install from the govt contribution towards the installation.

Sounds to me like there was no discussion about how it'd be done.

Either way, I disagree with your point of view, this kind of workmanship is unacceptable in any situation.

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  Reply # 1079012 2-Jul-2014 23:51 Send private message

starcub:
andrewNZ: I'm guessing it's not finished, which is actually good. I'd be causing a fuss now before they finish, I'd even consider actively delaying them.


Yeah, that's what I thought I'd do after seen the replies here. Should I raise the issue with Chorus or the contractors?

Chorus. They need to know this is happening.



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  Reply # 1079014 2-Jul-2014 23:54 Send private message

richms:
andrewNZ:
And who are you going to get to do that?

No one is allowed to touch it except Chorus (I'm assuming it's their network), and contacting/contracting them directly is near enough to impossible.
At least part of an install is supposed to be subsidised. There will likely be no part of that install that is reusable so the cost will be for an install from scratch, AND it'll cost more to undo what's been done.


Any directional drilling or trenching company can push chorus conduit thru to their spec, and then chorus come out and move services over to the new conduit.

They have an install. It is working. If they had requirements about the aesthetics of the install it should have been discussed with chorus before the installation and the private contractor arranged for anything above spec of what chorus would install from the govt contribution towards the installation.





Being 'Free' installation doesn't necessarily mean they can do cheap work. This will be part of Chorus network and it meant to last long.

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  Reply # 1079027 3-Jul-2014 00:19 Send private message

starcub:
richms:
andrewNZ:
And who are you going to get to do that?

No one is allowed to touch it except Chorus (I'm assuming it's their network), and contacting/contracting them directly is near enough to impossible.
At least part of an install is supposed to be subsidised. There will likely be no part of that install that is reusable so the cost will be for an install from scratch, AND it'll cost more to undo what's been done.


Any directional drilling or trenching company can push chorus conduit thru to their spec, and then chorus come out and move services over to the new conduit.

They have an install. It is working. If they had requirements about the aesthetics of the install it should have been discussed with chorus before the installation and the private contractor arranged for anything above spec of what chorus would install from the govt contribution towards the installation.





Being 'Free' installation doesn't necessarily mean they can do cheap work. This will be part of Chorus network and it meant to last long.


How much money can they allocate per install? To trench and relay someones, drive you could be talking about 20k. Even to trench and patch you maybe talking about a good 5-10k, and  a number of days work.

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  Reply # 1079075 3-Jul-2014 07:47 Send private message

That install is terrible, it is attached to some else's property, it is not a secure install, I wonder if it even meets approved standards etc. If the fence ever needs work Chorus or who ever will need to be contracted to remove a reinstate.
I would talk with my lawyer.




Mike

 Interesting. You're afraid of insects and women. Ladybugs must render you catatonic.

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  Reply # 1079076 3-Jul-2014 07:51 3 people support this post Send private message



starcub: <snip>
Is this how they normally do it? Not if they can help it

I thought they needed to dig the driveway and bury the cables under the driveway. If it is cost effective to do so

It just seems to me that they have not done it properly?

Will not putting cables under the ground affecting my internet speed? No effect what so ever on speed

Will it more likely to break say in 10 to 20 years?  No more likely than if it was in the ground

Also because it's not underground, who would be responsible for fixing it if the conduit is damaged? Just the same as it it was buried - Physical damage - the doer or property owner / Fair ware and tare - Chorus



In answer to some of the other points raised by others

Chorus know this is happening - they pay the bills

Its is an approved method

The White conduit is UV stabalised the Green isnt to the same extent and isnt installed above ground for this and for other reasons.

Yes Chorus are willing to pay for the installation of the network up to 200m from the road and it is at their expence - this is not part of the subsidised CFH work.

I would suspect that they would have tried to use the existing conduit (that the existing copper is in) first but it was blocked or broken.

The installation is not complete - externaly - the Fibre ETP has to be installed, the ribbonet tubeing trimmed and fitted off,  the fibre blown in and has been noted the concrete reinstated.

The Consent form would/should have have the type of construction of the service leadin on it and would have been signed by the end user before work commenced
 
Edit:Reworded






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  Reply # 1079078 3-Jul-2014 07:59 Send private message

InstallerUFB:

starcub: <snip>
Is this how they normally do it? Not if they can help it

I thought they needed to dig the driveway and bury the cables under the driveway. If it is cost effective to do so

It just seems to me that they have not done it properly?

Will not putting cables under the ground affecting my internet speed? No effect what so ever on speed

Will it more likely to break say in 10 to 20 years?  No more likely than if it was in the ground

Also because it's not underground, who would be responsible for fixing it if the conduit is damaged? Just the same as it it was buried - Physical damage - the doer or property owner / Fair ware and tare - Chorus



In answer to some of the other points raised by others

Chorus know this is happening - they pay the bills

Its its an approved method

The White conduit is UV stabalised the Green isnt to the same extent and isnt installed above ground for this and for other reasons.

Yes Chorus are willing to pay for the installation of the network up to 200m from the road and it is at their expence - this is not part of the subsidised CFH work.

I would suspect that they would have tried to use the existing conduit (that the existing copper is in) first but it was blocked or broken.

The installation is not complete - externaly - the Fibre ETP has to be installed, the ribbonet tubeing trimmed and fitted off,  the fibre blown in and has been noted the concrete reinstated.

Edit:Reworded





Is it ok to attach conduit to fence and above ground?

Is there a standard to this kind of installation?



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  Reply # 1079079 3-Jul-2014 08:06 Send private message

The Consent form would/should have have the type of construction of the service leadin on it and would have been signed by the end user before work commenced
 
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I signed a consent form but that was before they even looked at how they were gonna install it. It doesnt say how they would do it.

They knocked the door when they arrived and asked for signature before they started on anything.

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  Reply # 1079104 3-Jul-2014 08:50 One person supports this post Send private message

Such an install is very common in this world, both with Chorus and Vodafone cable installs.

People may have a view on whether it's right or wrong and the aesthetics of it, but it's certainly by no means uncommon.



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  Reply # 1079106 3-Jul-2014 08:53 One person supports this post Send private message

mattwnz:
I would say it is overhead. The good thing I guess is that it is easily accessible. But if a bugler wanted to cut your security system from the outside world, all they would need to do is cut the conduate and wire. Not good in the case of vandalism either as it is easily accessible.


No different to the tens of thousands of mushrooms pillars for copper located outside homes around the country that are totally insecure. Tampering with one (or more) of these could take out entire streets.





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  Reply # 1079114 3-Jul-2014 09:01 Send private message

sbiddle: Such an install is very common in this world, both with Chorus and Vodafone cable installs.

People may have a view on whether it's right or wrong and the aesthetics of it, but it's certainly by no means uncommon.




Who would take the hit if the fence was damaged by winds or needs replacing?
Also timber fences are not stable they flex and move during the day, what affect could this have on the cabling? and again who would meet the costs if damaged?

An area I don't know, are there approved standards? are there local body requirements?




Mike

 Interesting. You're afraid of insects and women. Ladybugs must render you catatonic.

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  Reply # 1079115 3-Jul-2014 09:03 Send private message

sbiddle:
mattwnz:
I would say it is overhead. The good thing I guess is that it is easily accessible. But if a bugler wanted to cut your security system from the outside world, all they would need to do is cut the conduate and wire. Not good in the case of vandalism either as it is easily accessible.


No different to the tens of thousands of mushrooms pillars for copper located outside homes around the country that are totally insecure. Tampering with one (or more) of these could take out entire streets.






Tell me about it, the one outside our place is always being damaged, no idea how, the last time I duct taped it to close and seal it, I have rung several times and no one ever comes and fixes it.




Mike

 Interesting. You're afraid of insects and women. Ladybugs must render you catatonic.



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  Reply # 1079117 3-Jul-2014 09:05 Send private message

Just to give you an update. I called Chorus the lady on the phone said it's not standard to leave the conduit on the ground. She said they normally trench the driveway.

She's gonna contact the contractor and get back to me.

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  Reply # 1079124 3-Jul-2014 09:09 One person supports this post Send private message

starcub: Just to give you an update. I called Chorus the lady on the phone said it's not standard to leave the conduit on the ground. She said they normally trench the driveway.

She's gonna contact the contractor and get back to me.


I don't want to put you off complaining, but be very careful of what you are wishing for as the final outcome.

If trenching isn't cost effective and you've already said you don't want this conduit one very real world scenario is that you may end up with Chorus telling you that you can't be serviced.

Cost blowouts with 10k + installs are a common problem at present. Chorus are saying no to installs that are regarded as complex and property owners aren't willing to contribute to the install cost.







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  Reply # 1079134 3-Jul-2014 09:21 Send private message

sbiddle:
starcub: Just to give you an update. I called Chorus the lady on the phone said it's not standard to leave the conduit on the ground. She said they normally trench the driveway.

She's gonna contact the contractor and get back to me.


I don't want to put you off complaining, but be very careful of what you are wishing for as the final outcome.

If trenching isn't cost effective and you've already said you don't want this conduit one very real world scenario is that you may end up with Chorus telling you that you can't be serviced.

Cost blowouts with 10k + installs are a common problem at present. Chorus are saying no to installs that are regarded as complex and property owners aren't willing to contribute to the install cost.






How do you define cost effective? Chorus will connect houses upto 200M from the street and some of them must need to be trenched? My driveway is only ~40M from the street.

I don't think my case is complex it would be a really common situation for properties that have shared driveway. I just want an install that doesn't look ugly (or even can't be seen) and will last long.

Thanks for your reminder though, I will be careful when dealing with monopoly. wink



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