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  Reply # 581075 13-Feb-2012 21:04 Send private message

networkn: I am just struggling how Auckland CBD won't get UFB until perhaps sometime next year. How can that seriously be? It's the financial capital of New Zealand?


UFB is a 10yr rollout, with the focus being initially on business/schools/medical. The vast majority of residential customers in NZ won't see fibre for at least 5 years - this has been the plan since the UFB project was announced.




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  Reply # 581084 13-Feb-2012 21:13 Send private message

Well I *AM* a business :) I couldn't care less if Mom and Pop have Fibre! I want cost effective Fibre so I can run my business more efficiently and contribute even MORE to the tax base!

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  Reply # 581088 13-Feb-2012 21:20 Send private message

networkn: Well I *AM* a business :) I couldn't care less if Mom and Pop have Fibre! I want cost effective Fibre so I can run my business more efficiently and contribute even MORE to the tax base!


The entire country can't be magically rolled out overnight. There are already signifciant equipment and skilled labour shortages, compounded by the NBN rollout in Australia. Unlike the ~3 year TCL rollout in Wellington in the late 90's they can't just bring in skilled labour from Australia to help.



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  Reply # 581090 13-Feb-2012 21:21 Send private message

networkn: Well I *AM* a business :) I couldn't care less if Mom and Pop have Fibre! I want cost effective Fibre so I can run my business more efficiently and contribute even MORE to the tax base!


Apparently if you simply stay in Auckland Len Brown will help you do that :)

On topic though,  those prices by worldnet are very sharp, however I do wonder what the contention will be like.

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  Reply # 581095 13-Feb-2012 21:26 Send private message

networkn: I am just struggling how Auckland CBD won't get UFB until perhaps sometime next year. How can that seriously be? It's the financial capital of New Zealand?


I am in the same situation. They are building in a residential area in napier before they build in the CBD.
There are probably two positives for building in the residential area first - it does contain two schools and an old defunct hospital that closed down 10 years ago.




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  Reply # 581118 13-Feb-2012 21:55 Send private message

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networkn: I am just struggling how Auckland CBD won't get UFB until perhaps sometime next year. How can that seriously be? It's the financial capital of New Zealand?


I am in the same situation. They are building in a residential area in napier before they build in the CBD.
There are probably two positives for building in the residential area first - it does contain two schools and an old defunct hospital that closed down 10 years ago.


Our hard earned taxpayers money getting spent! 



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  Reply # 581120 13-Feb-2012 21:58 Send private message

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networkn: Well I *AM* a business :) I couldn't care less if Mom and Pop have Fibre! I want cost effective Fibre so I can run my business more efficiently and contribute even MORE to the tax base!


The entire country can't be magically rolled out overnight. There are already signifciant equipment and skilled labour shortages, compounded by the NBN rollout in Australia. Unlike the ~3 year TCL rollout in Wellington in the late 90's they can't just bring in skilled labour from Australia to help.




I am not saying the WHOLE country. I am saying service the income generating hubs FIRST. Surely you can understand why? I mean for the love of God, Whangerei? There are 11 people there with a combined income of $90,000! :) 

I mean it's even worse than that. I am in the city fringe and I can't even get VDSL, yet in Mt Roskill where I live I can enjoy 70Mbit/10Mbit! It's DAFT! 

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  Reply # 581165 14-Feb-2012 00:06 Send private message

@networkn

I dont know this for sure, but i think the "oversight" of Auckland CBD not being rolled out for UFB first is due to chorus also throwing in its existing business fibre network into the ufb network too. They announced last year that existing Telecom Business Fibre customers were going to get the UFB prices immediately(?) even while they remained on the non-ufb network. Presumably they will get migrated over to UFB mid-year-ish when the ufb billing/processes/backhaul get done.

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  Reply # 581179 14-Feb-2012 06:54 Send private message

networkn:
sbiddle:
networkn: Well I *AM* a business :) I couldn't care less if Mom and Pop have Fibre! I want cost effective Fibre so I can run my business more efficiently and contribute even MORE to the tax base!


The entire country can't be magically rolled out overnight. There are already signifciant equipment and skilled labour shortages, compounded by the NBN rollout in Australia. Unlike the ~3 year TCL rollout in Wellington in the late 90's?they can't just bring in skilled labour from Australia to help.




I am not saying the WHOLE country. I am saying service the income generating hubs FIRST. Surely you can understand why? I mean for the love of God, Whangerei? There are 11 people there with a combined income of $90,000! :)?

I mean it's even worse than that. I am in the city fringe and I can't even get VDSL, yet in Mt Roskill where I live I can enjoy 70Mbit/10Mbit! It's DAFT!?


Hey don't diss us here in Whangarei!
If your local power company couldn't see the benefits of rolling out their own fibre network, like northpower did, then move.
Northpower were upgrading their own communication network long before they got the ufb contract. Having all this extra bandwidth meant that they could start offering it for sale.






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  Reply # 581209 14-Feb-2012 09:01 Send private message

Publius: @networkn

I dont know this for sure, but i think the "oversight" of Auckland CBD not being rolled out for UFB first is due to chorus also throwing in its existing business fibre network into the ufb network too. They announced last year that existing Telecom Business Fibre customers were going to get the UFB prices immediately(?) even while they remained on the non-ufb network. Presumably they will get migrated over to UFB mid-year-ish when the ufb billing/processes/backhaul get done.


Wow that would be excellent, it certainly would make more sense. I'd be interested in reference articles that back that up (Not doubting you, but rather for planning). 

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networkn: Well I *AM* a business :) I couldn't care less if Mom and Pop have Fibre! I want cost effective Fibre so I can run my business more efficiently and contribute even MORE to the tax base!


Just curious,  what sort of business do you run? Graphic Design? Web Design?


Presumably fibre is available to you right now, it is just v.expensive, right?

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  Reply # 581211 14-Feb-2012 09:06 Send private message

networkn: Wow that would be excellent, it certainly would make more sense. I'd be interested in reference articles that back that up (Not doubting you, but rather for planning). 


http://www.crownfibre.govt.nz/news/press-releases/chorus-and-the-crown-begin-ufb-rollout-in-auckland.aspx

Chorus is working with a range of retail service providers to develop and launch new UFB wholesale services in the announced deployment areas in 2012.  At the same time it is opening up access to its existing business fibre areas for UFB services at significantly reduced prices and offering a wider range of services.

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  Reply # 581212 14-Feb-2012 09:10 Send private message

Kraven:
networkn: Wow that would be excellent, it certainly would make more sense. I'd be interested in reference articles that back that up (Not doubting you, but rather for planning). 


http://www.crownfibre.govt.nz/news/press-releases/chorus-and-the-crown-begin-ufb-rollout-in-auckland.aspx

Chorus is working with a range of retail service providers to develop and launch new UFB wholesale services in the announced deployment areas in 2012.  At the same time it is opening up access to its existing business fibre areas for UFB services at significantly reduced prices and offering a wider range of services.


Chorus cut HSNS and Fibre pricing to UFB pricepoints last year.

 



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networkn: Well I *AM* a business :) I couldn't care less if Mom and Pop have Fibre! I want cost effective Fibre so I can run my business more efficiently and contribute even MORE to the tax base!


Just curious,  what sort of business do you run? Graphic Design? Web Design?


Presumably fibre is available to you right now, it is just v.expensive, right?


We are a Small Business IT VAR.  
Yes, I can get Fibre, if I am prepared to sign a 3 year contract with significant installation expenses and a fairly hefty monthly fee.

It's actually affordable for us, if it wasn't for the 3 year contract requirement, though it's no where near as cost effective as what has been suggested by worldnet.  

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networkn:
NonprayingMantis:
networkn: Well I *AM* a business :) I couldn't care less if Mom and Pop have Fibre! I want cost effective Fibre so I can run my business more efficiently and contribute even MORE to the tax base!


Just curious,  what sort of business do you run? Graphic Design? Web Design?


Presumably fibre is available to you right now, it is just v.expensive, right?


We are a Small Business IT VAR.  
Yes, I can get Fibre, if I am prepared to sign a 3 year contract with significant installation expenses and a fairly hefty monthly fee.

It's actually affordable for us, if it wasn't for the 3 year contract requirement, though it's no where near as cost effective as what has been suggested by worldnet.  


that's good. 

This thread just reminded me of this article from a little whileback and wanted to check whether UFB would actually be useful for you, or if you fitted the profile of the person below:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10762538

"Beauty salonGarden of Eve is on the southern side of Remuera Rd, and will not be included at the outset."We definitely would have a bit of a problem [with it]," said manager Sarona Fune, as fast broadband was needed for business emails and banking."

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