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  Reply # 581223 14-Feb-2012 09:32 Send private message

I don't need 100Mbit down and 50Mbit up (Few people/businesses do). I would be happy with 20Mbit down and 3-5 Up and 1-2 IP's.

VDSL is my preferred option in reality, not just from a cost perspective, but from a need perspective.

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  Reply # 581231 14-Feb-2012 10:19 Send private message

networkn: I don't need 100Mbit down and 50Mbit up (Few people/businesses do). I would be happy with 20Mbit down and 3-5 Up and 1-2 IP's.

VDSL is my preferred option in reality, not just from a cost perspective, but from a need perspective.


You won't be getting more than one public v4 IP anymore!
(OTOH, you can get a /64 of v6 for free! Or least ISPs should be rolling v6 out already and definitely for UFB!)
 



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  Reply # 581233 14-Feb-2012 10:26 Send private message

kyhwana2:
networkn: I don't need 100Mbit down and 50Mbit up (Few people/businesses do). I would be happy with 20Mbit down and 3-5 Up and 1-2 IP's.

VDSL is my preferred option in reality, not just from a cost perspective, but from a need perspective.


You won't be getting more than one public v4 IP anymore!
(OTOH, you can get a /64 of v6 for free! Or least ISPs should be rolling v6 out already and definitely for UFB!)
 


That's completely untrue. There are no more, but ISP's have reserved IP's so they can assign those to you and I have this done all the time for my clients. 
 

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  Reply # 581245 14-Feb-2012 11:12 Send private message

The question is how much are you willing to pay for that IPv4 space, It's limited, very limited now. The days of $20 per IPv4 IP per month are coming!




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  Reply # 581267 14-Feb-2012 12:16 Send private message

networkn: I don't need 100Mbit down and 50Mbit up (Few people/businesses do). I would be happy with 20Mbit down and 3-5 Up and 1-2 IP's.

VDSL is my preferred option in reality, not just from a cost perspective, but from a need perspective.


Agreed, only people that are extremely cool in the computer world and download "linux ISO's" over and over again from 1000's of peers need 100mbit..... (LOL)

Depending on the house hold 20mbit per heavy user should be enough for anyone, My personal requirement is 20m down 10m up speeds nationally and 10/5m of international transit.

Having more then a /32 would be nice a /29 would be nice however purely just because I can and not a requirement.

Personally I'm not in favor of IPv6 its too new and right at this moment is not required we wont see any real movement with IPv6 until there is a real shortage of IPv4....




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  Reply # 581268 14-Feb-2012 12:24 Send private message

Beccara: The question is how much are you willing to pay for that IPv4 space, It's limited, very limited now. The days of $20 per IPv4 IP per month are coming!


Most ISP's have been charging that for years!
 

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  Reply # 581279 14-Feb-2012 12:54 Send private message

Nebbie:

Agreed, only people that are extremely cool in the computer world and download "linux ISO's" over and over again from 1000's of peers need 100mbit..... (LOL)

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Personally I'm not in favor of IPv6 its too new and right at this moment is not required we wont see any real movement with IPv6 until there is a real shortage of IPv4....


Really? I just need a 10mbit upload speed so i can seed top gear torrents.
(jokes)

IPv6 has been around since the late 90's
Nothing new at all - just a bulk lot of bad decisions made worldwide bymanagers who sit in industry leadership decisions have delayed its implementation and that has had a roll on effect throughout the industry. Because it 'cost too much' or was 'too hard'




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  Reply # 581280 14-Feb-2012 12:56 Send private message

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kyhwana2:
networkn: I don't need 100Mbit down and 50Mbit up (Few people/businesses do). I would be happy with 20Mbit down and 3-5 Up and 1-2 IP's.

VDSL is my preferred option in reality, not just from a cost perspective, but from a need perspective.


You won't be getting more than one public v4 IP anymore!
(OTOH, you can get a /64 of v6 for free! Or least ISPs should be rolling v6 out already and definitely for UFB!)
 


That's completely untrue. There are no more, but ISP's have reserved IP's so they can assign those to you and I have this done all the time for my clients. 
 


I was implying that ISPs would be unwilling to or would charge a lot extra for more than 1 v4 IP.
In the case of the new Compass unlimited DSL plans, they don't even give you one (1) public v4! (And I somehow doubt that compass are even doing ipv6 to dsl customers, which makes it even worse!)


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  Reply # 581284 14-Feb-2012 12:59 Send private message

Nebbie:
networkn: I don't need 100Mbit down and 50Mbit up (Few people/businesses do). I would be happy with 20Mbit down and 3-5 Up and 1-2 IP's.

VDSL is my preferred option in reality, not just from a cost perspective, but from a need perspective.


Agreed, only people that are extremely cool in the computer world and download "linux ISO's" over and over again from 1000's of peers need 100mbit..... (LOL)

Depending on the house hold 20mbit per heavy user should be enough for anyone, My personal requirement is 20m down 10m up speeds nationally and 10/5m of international transit.

Having more then a /32 would be nice a /29 would be nice however purely just because I can and not a requirement.

Personally I'm not in favor of IPv6 its too new and right at this moment is not required we wont see any real movement with IPv6 until there is a real shortage of IPv4....


those are sensible and reasonable bandwidth specs for the majority of NZ internet users. These are what the government should have implemented as the standard to work to as opposed to the 5mb/1mb or whatever it is they have agreed with vodafone for the RBI.



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  Reply # 581286 14-Feb-2012 13:00 Send private message

I think over time (Could be wrong) that IPV4 will have some of it's addresses back, once the conversion to IPV6 continues. I Imagine that smaller sites will continue to use IPV4.



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  Reply # 581288 14-Feb-2012 13:02 Send private message

dimsim:
Nebbie:
networkn: I don't need 100Mbit down and 50Mbit up (Few people/businesses do). I would be happy with 20Mbit down and 3-5 Up and 1-2 IP's.

VDSL is my preferred option in reality, not just from a cost perspective, but from a need perspective.


Agreed, only people that are extremely cool in the computer world and download "linux ISO's" over and over again from 1000's of peers need 100mbit..... (LOL)

Depending on the house hold 20mbit per heavy user should be enough for anyone, My personal requirement is 20m down 10m up speeds nationally and 10/5m of international transit.

Having more then a /32 would be nice a /29 would be nice however purely just because I can and not a requirement.

Personally I'm not in favor of IPv6 its too new and right at this moment is not required we wont see any real movement with IPv6 until there is a real shortage of IPv4....


those are sensible and reasonable bandwidth specs for the majority of NZ internet users. These are what the government should have implemented as the standard to work to as opposed to the 5mb/1mb or whatever it is they have agreed with vodafone for the RBI.


5/1 is just a MINIMUM standard, almost every broadband user (Landline ADSL/VDSL) is getting that or could be if they upgraded their plan.

NZ has it pretty good. I do not know of many countries in the world where you get can 70/10Mbit with 150GB of data for $150

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  Reply # 581296 14-Feb-2012 13:17 Send private message

Nebbie: Personally I'm not in favor of IPv6 its too new and right at this moment is not required we wont see any real movement with IPv6 until there is a real shortage of IPv4....


Sometimes i wonder where some of the people on this forum have been for the last 10 years.



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  Reply # 581298 14-Feb-2012 13:19 Send private message

frizian: not everyone has been a geek for 10 years or more ;)

I'd suggest he is partially wrong, but just because it's been around 10+ years, doesn't mean it's common place implementation has been around that long. Tablets anyone?
 

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  Reply # 581299 14-Feb-2012 13:19 Send private message

kyhwana2:
I was implying that ISPs would be unwilling to or would charge a lot extra for more than 1 v4 IP.
In the case of the new Compass unlimited DSL plans, they don't even give you one (1) public v4! (And I somehow doubt that compass are even doing ipv6 to dsl customers, which makes it even worse!)



Can you confirm that again - Compass natting people on their unlimited plans?

I nat everyone but am about to start offering a v4 address for my customers who game and need to port forward but on a per-request method only.
Have been debating the need to charge for it at $5 per month because it just cost $7,000 to get 1024 addresses from apnic - and thats my limit. They wont give me any more. Then its going to cost ~$2,000 a year to keep them.

IPv4 addresses are not going to be cheap for long.




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  Reply # 581300 14-Feb-2012 13:20 Send private message

Nebbie: 
Personally I'm not in favor of IPv6 its too new and right at this moment is not required we wont see any real movement with IPv6 until there is a real shortage of IPv4....


Wat. IPv6 is over a decade old at this point. And ask Compass why their new unlimited DSL plan is CG-NATed.
 

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