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  Reply # 581557 14-Feb-2012 21:17 Send private message

Ok, so that's one country. I wonder if our prices would drop a little if we had a million more people? If I am not mistaken, also the Finish Govt SUBSIDISE those connections as well.



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  Reply # 581567 14-Feb-2012 21:41 Send private message

Who cares about other countries... we are in NZ. People have said 30Mb is fine for a heavy user. Fact is I won't bother with fibre until such a time that a 100Mb plan is actually affordable. Its all about the wank factor of having 100Mb cruising in to you property. I don't want some jokers digging up my lawn and then having to go to the trouble of re-wiring my house for a service that is marginally better than what I could have got on a VDSL circuit - And only better in terms that it can have IPTV running down it. if companies want people to take up FTTH opportunities they need to offer half decent plans from the get go. Otherwise us typical NZers will just fob it off as more 'stuff we dont need'. I have no doubt in my mind that in 5 years or so the prices will be rock bottom and we will all be on amazing plans coming from ProviderX that means we can surf to our hearts content and throw our MySky boxes out the window. But at this point in time it just doesn't look super attractive. Didn't expect so many pages to spawn from one comment about how expensive the plans are lol.

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  Reply # 581577 14-Feb-2012 21:54 Send private message

Lias: Very dissapointing to see pricey 100mb/s plans, and pricey data (heck data caps full stop!)

You'd think a decade after other countries had uncapped, unmanaged, unthrottled broadband at a sub USD$50 price point, we'd be able to pull finger and achieve the same thing, but no, I guess it will be another decade or two.



When was the last time you looked at pricing in the US? US$144.95 per month for a 50/20 FiOS plan.


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  Reply # 581578 14-Feb-2012 21:56 Send private message

Also http://comcast.com/Corporate/Learn/HighSpeedInternet/highspeedinternet.html
$115US/month for 50mbit cable.
(With 250GB cap or so, since it's comcast)



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  Reply # 581580 14-Feb-2012 21:58 Send private message

chevrolux: Who cares about other countries... we are in NZ. People have said 30Mb is fine for a heavy user. Fact is I won't bother with fibre until such a time that a 100Mb plan is actually affordable. Its all about the wank factor of having 100Mb cruising in to you property. I don't want some jokers digging up my lawn and then having to go to the trouble of re-wiring my house for a service that is marginally better than what I could have got on a VDSL circuit - And only better in terms that it can have IPTV running down it. if companies want people to take up FTTH opportunities they need to offer half decent plans from the get go. Otherwise us typical NZers will just fob it off as more 'stuff we dont need'. I have no doubt in my mind that in 5 years or so the prices will be rock bottom and we will all be on amazing plans coming from ProviderX that means we can surf to our hearts content and throw our MySky boxes out the window. But at this point in time it just doesn't look super attractive. Didn't expect so many pages to spawn from one comment about how expensive the plans are lol.


NZ'ers will correctly fob it off, as they don't NEED it. Businesses MIGHT need it, but there aren't (m)any non business (IE Residential) people who have a need for the type of service 100Mbit connections typically offer.

The prices that are being offered are MORE than half decent, most business I work with will jump in a heart beat at them. 

Comparing a top of the line VDSL connection (I get 70/10MB at home and it's the best and fastest I have seen to date) to a 100/50Mbit Fibre connection just isn't right. They aren't comparable. 

I'm afraid you aren't look at this through with the right perspective.

Home users will take a 30/10Mbit connection for $99 and find it great value and super quick. 



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  Reply # 581581 14-Feb-2012 21:59 Send private message

kyhwana2: Also http://comcast.com/Corporate/Learn/HighSpeedInternet/highspeedinternet.html
$115US/month for 50mbit cable.
(With 250GB cap or so, since it's comcast)


Can't be included, Lias said it had to be uncapped :)
 

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  Reply # 581584 14-Feb-2012 22:02 Send private message

networkn:
kyhwana2: Also http://comcast.com/Corporate/Learn/HighSpeedInternet/highspeedinternet.html
$115US/month for 50mbit cable.
(With 250GB cap or so, since it's comcast)


Can't be included, Lias said it had to be uncapped :)
 


Then you can't look at US pricing anymore! They all have caps or it's "unlimited*"..
 

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  Reply # 581604 14-Feb-2012 23:05 Send private message

Beccara: Which countries are you talking about because if its the USA then they are moving BACK to data caps


I believe that is likely more related to US ISP's mounting a last ditch attempt to stem the flow of customers away from their Cable TV services they love so much towards IP based equivalents but all the same it is still a valid point.

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  Reply # 582058 15-Feb-2012 21:18 Send private message

networkn: Ok, so that's one country. I wonder if our prices would drop a little if we had a million more people? If I am not mistaken, also the Finish Govt SUBSIDISE those connections as well.


Well I'm sorry to tell you, but you are indeed mistaken. If you had read the thread I linked to, you would have seen that it is not subsidised. May I also point out that UFB is effectively government subsidised. So I'm not sure what your point was anyway. And I somehow doubt we'd see that much of an improvement in plans with just 1 million more people.

Do you want other examples?

Ireland http://www.magnet.ie/ (same population as NZ, 40 euros is around 50 USD. Note also the FTTH plans)

Moldova http://v.starnet.md/abonamente_home (slightly less population than NZ, 250 (Moldovan) lei is ~$25 NZD - and that's for their top plan which includes phone and TV)
and another: http://www.idknet.com/internet/ADSL/tariffs.php (note, prices are in USD)

Estonia https://www.elion.ee/eraklient/internet/interneti-p%C3%BCsi%C3%BChendus (population of only 1.3 milllion)

Latvia http://www.lattelecom.lv/majai/internets/optiskais_internets/ (population 2 million, $37.7 USD for 200Mbit)

I would continue, but I have better things to do, sorry. Either way, I'm sure you'll have some goalposts to move.

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  Reply # 582128 16-Feb-2012 00:42 Send private message

Screeb:
networkn: Ok, so that's one country. I wonder if our prices would drop a little if we had a million more people? If I am not mistaken, also the Finish Govt SUBSIDISE those connections as well.


Well I'm sorry to tell you, but you are indeed mistaken. If you had read the thread I linked to, you would have seen that it is not subsidised. May I also point out that UFB is effectively government subsidised. So I'm not sure what your point was anyway. And I somehow doubt we'd see that much of an improvement in plans with just 1 million more people.

Do you want other examples?

Ireland http://www.magnet.ie/ (same population as NZ, 40 euros is around 50 USD. Note also the FTTH plans)

Moldova http://v.starnet.md/abonamente_home (slightly less population than NZ, 250 (Moldovan) lei is ~$25 NZD - and that's for their top plan which includes phone and TV)
and another: http://www.idknet.com/internet/ADSL/tariffs.php (note, prices are in USD)

Estonia https://www.elion.ee/eraklient/internet/interneti-p%C3%BCsi%C3%BChendus (population of only 1.3 milllion)

Latvia http://www.lattelecom.lv/majai/internets/optiskais_internets/ (population 2 million, $37.7 USD for 200Mbit)

I would continue, but I have better things to do, sorry. Either way, I'm sure you'll have some goalposts to move.



I note that Estonia, Latvia, and Ireland have unemployment rates from double to triple the New Zealand unemployment rate, and Moldovia about the same, so access to 'better' or 'cheaper' internet obviously doesnt lead to higher employment.




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  Reply # 582134 16-Feb-2012 00:46 Send private message

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networkn: Ok, so that's one country. I wonder if our prices would drop a little if we had a million more people? If I am not mistaken, also the Finish Govt SUBSIDISE those connections as well.


Well I'm sorry to tell you, but you are indeed mistaken. If you had read the thread I linked to, you would have seen that it is not subsidised. May I also point out that UFB is effectively government subsidised. So I'm not sure what your point was anyway. And I somehow doubt we'd see that much of an improvement in plans with just 1 million more people.

Do you want other examples?

Ireland http://www.magnet.ie/ (same population as NZ, 40 euros is around 50 USD. Note also the FTTH plans)

Moldova http://v.starnet.md/abonamente_home (slightly less population than NZ, 250 (Moldovan) lei is ~$25 NZD - and that's for their top plan which includes phone and TV)
and another: http://www.idknet.com/internet/ADSL/tariffs.php (note, prices are in USD)

Estonia https://www.elion.ee/eraklient/internet/interneti-p%C3%BCsi%C3%BChendus (population of only 1.3 milllion)

Latvia http://www.lattelecom.lv/majai/internets/optiskais_internets/ (population 2 million, $37.7 USD for 200Mbit)

I would continue, but I have better things to do, sorry. Either way, I'm sure you'll have some goalposts to move.



I note that Estonia, Latvia, and Ireland have unemployment rates from double to triple the New Zealand unemployment rate, and Moldovia about the same, so access to 'better' or 'cheaper' internet obviously doesnt lead to higher employment.

What does it have to do with employment? They are milking it for all its worth.

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  Reply # 582136 16-Feb-2012 00:57 Send private message

codyc1515:
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I note that Estonia, Latvia, and Ireland have unemployment rates from double to triple the New Zealand unemployment rate, and Moldovia about the same, so access to 'better' or 'cheaper' internet obviously doesnt lead to higher employment.

What does it have to do with employment? They are milking it for all its worth.


one of the supposed benefits of UFB and cheaper/faster internet is that our country would compete better on the global scale and this would lead to lower unemployment and better quality of life. 

personally, i think that takes correct attitude more that anything, and the attitude in this country seems to be heading towards 'give me everything but dont make me work or pay for it'




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Regs: 

I note that Estonia, Latvia, and Ireland have unemployment rates from double to triple the New Zealand unemployment rate, and Moldovia about the same, so access to 'better' or 'cheaper' internet obviously doesnt lead to higher employment.

What does it have to do with employment? They are milking it for all its worth.


one of the supposed benefits of UFB and cheaper/faster internet is that our country would compete better on the global scale and this would lead to lower unemployment and better quality of life. 

personally, i think that takes correct attitude more that anything, and the attitude in this country seems to be heading towards 'give me everything but dont make me work or pay for it'

I agree that that is the attitude that we are seeing more and more but I also agree that rolling out UFB services over 8 years is probably not going to help a lot.

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  Reply # 582154 16-Feb-2012 07:52 Send private message

Regs:
I note that Estonia, Latvia, and Ireland have unemployment rates from double to triple the New Zealand unemployment rate, and Moldovia about the same, so access to 'better' or 'cheaper' internet obviously doesnt lead to higher employment.


I know of entrepreneurs in New Zealand who have made fortunes via the internet. The information superhighway is an enabler.    

Currently we only have one way broadband due to the A in ADSL.    

eg, skype will only show lo-def video due to the low uprate. 

I think it is important to have proper bi-directional broadband first. Then, worry about speeds second. 

Noone knows what future applications may  appear, but, there are a ton of ideas out there many of which will fail but some will thrive. 

I'm a believer :)



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  Reply # 582210 16-Feb-2012 10:05 Send private message

This is getting a little off topic focus.

I don't agree that the prices introduced are expensive considering all the factors, obviously it's a free country so if you don't like them, then you are free to use the cheaper services.

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