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  Reply # 582318 16-Feb-2012 12:50 Send private message

networkn: This is getting a little off topic focus.

I don't agree that the prices introduced are expensive considering all the factors, obviously it's a free country so if you don't like them, then you are free to use the cheaper services.


I would agree with that, the prices are not expensive when you consider the cost of actually building and operating the service.

I would argue that there is still no mass market demand for UFB and the only customers to see an immedite benefit will be those businesses who ditch expensive managed data solutions for cheaper and faster fibre.



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  Reply # 582346 16-Feb-2012 13:29 Send private message

Cymro:
networkn: This is getting a little off topic focus.

I don't agree that the prices introduced are expensive considering all the factors, obviously it's a free country so if you don't like them, then you are free to use the cheaper services.


I would agree with that, the prices are not expensive when you consider the cost of actually building and operating the service.

I would argue that there is still no mass market demand for UFB and the only customers to see an immedite benefit will be those businesses who ditch expensive managed data solutions for cheaper and faster fibre.


Actually I don't agree with your last comment. PLENTY of businesses who require both more upload bandwidth, and faster downloads, multiple IP's or lower latency, will be able to justify the extra expense in exchange for the extra productivity.

I have a question, not specifically for you, but for the group. The existing Fibre Network that Chorus surrendered to the UFB Program, it was supposed to align fairly closely with the UFB plans like what worldnet have offered? I have just had a quote which is significantly less than what was available a year ago, but still quite a bit more than what is being offered through worldnet.

Should this be the case? 

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  Reply # 582359 16-Feb-2012 13:48 Send private message

My point was that there is likely to be demand from business customers but not the mass market (consumer) customers who you need to soak up the construction and operating costs.

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  Reply # 582361 16-Feb-2012 13:50 Send private message

Cymro: My point was that there is likely to be demand from business customers but not the mass market (consumer) customers who you need to soak up the construction and operating costs.

Meanwhile NZ falls further and further into debt under the guise of "improving" broadband.

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  Reply # 582383 16-Feb-2012 14:31 Send private message

networkn:
Cymro:
networkn: This is getting a little off topic focus.

I don't agree that the prices introduced are expensive considering all the factors, obviously it's a free country so if you don't like them, then you are free to use the cheaper services.


I would agree with that, the prices are not expensive when you consider the cost of actually building and operating the service.

I would argue that there is still no mass market demand for UFB and the only customers to see an immedite benefit will be those businesses who ditch expensive managed data solutions for cheaper and faster fibre.


Actually I don't agree with your last comment. PLENTY of businesses who require both more upload bandwidth, and faster downloads, multiple IP's or lower latency, will be able to justify the extra expense in exchange for the extra productivity.

I have a question, not specifically for you, but for the group. The existing Fibre Network that Chorus surrendered to the UFB Program, it was supposed to align fairly closely with the UFB plans like what worldnet have offered? I have just had a quote which is significantly less than what was available a year ago, but still quite a bit more than what is being offered through worldnet.

Should this be the case? 


Your quote will be for a normal point to point service which the UFB ratecard starts at $200 excluding handover I believe. The prices worldnet have are for GPON services which are not yet available although they are beginning to be installed e.g. in Rosebank road, Albany and East Tamaki. According to our ISP GPON services won't be available until around May/June.





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  Reply # 582432 16-Feb-2012 16:15 Send private message

Thanks for the link at the start of this thread!

I live in a fibre-only street (newish subdivision); been on WorldxChange's fibre plan for the past year.

Emailed WorldNet yesterday, asking if I can join their UFB plan.

WorldNet came back saying not yet: "The cabling process is taking place at the moment at your address", and offered for me to join their ADSL2 service in the meantime.

I don't think they quite understand, so I've replied to try and clear things up.

I just want to find out if WorldNet can actually take me on as a customer yet. Must be some confusion if they think I can use ADSL...

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  Reply # 585321 22-Feb-2012 19:27 Send private message

WorldNet's looked into this a bit further; their website will be updated with a commencement date once they know when their UFB service will actually start.

My address is still only operable by WorldxChange for now.

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  Reply # 590644 5-Mar-2012 13:43 Send private message

Hello from Ukraine,

Two years ago local Cable TV companies started getting rid of old coaxial cable stuff and replace it with cheaper and more reliable fiber hw.
They used to set a shared ethernet switch + fiber converter on per house basis and wire users with 100Mb/s UTP.
Major use for this network is to stream old cable channels via IPTV.
As a bonus they provide internet services. I've got public IP with uncapped 10Mb/s slice for $9/month for two years now.
I can download/upload 1MB/s on 24/7 basis. Pings are <10ms for all UA-IX backbone sites and 60ms for all over the Europe.
No other payments required. Uncapped symmetrical 100Mb/s slice of fiber costs $25/month.

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  Reply # 590664 5-Mar-2012 14:04 Send private message

featherball: Hello from Ukraine,

Two years ago local Cable TV companies started getting rid of old coaxial cable stuff and replace it with cheaper and more reliable fiber hw.
They used to set a shared ethernet switch + fiber converter on per house basis and wire users with 100Mb/s UTP.
Major use for this network is to stream old cable channels via IPTV.
As a bonus they provide internet services. I've got public IP with uncapped 10Mb/s slice for $9/month for two years now.
I can download/upload 1MB/s on 24/7 basis. Pings are <10ms for all UA-IX backbone sites and 60ms for all over the Europe.
No other payments required. Uncapped symmetrical 100Mb/s slice of fiber costs $25/month.

I can only dream.

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  Reply # 590668 5-Mar-2012 14:06 Send private message

codyc1515:
featherball: Hello from Ukraine,

Two years ago local Cable TV companies started getting rid of old coaxial cable stuff and replace it with cheaper and more reliable fiber hw.
They used to set a shared ethernet switch + fiber converter on per house basis and wire users with 100Mb/s UTP.
Major use for this network is to stream old cable channels via IPTV.
As a bonus they provide internet services. I've got public IP with uncapped 10Mb/s slice for $9/month for two years now.
I can download/upload 1MB/s on 24/7 basis. Pings are No other payments required. Uncapped symmetrical 100Mb/s slice of fiber costs $25/month.

I can only dream.


Or move to the Ukraine :-)

Cheers - N


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  Reply # 590685 5-Mar-2012 14:18 Send private message

Population density in Ukraine: 79 / km squared
Population density in NZ: 16 / km squared


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  Reply # 590688 5-Mar-2012 14:20 Send private message

Ragnor: Population density in Ukraine: 79 / km squared
Population density in NZ: 16 / km squared

Population density means nothing if 99% of the population can't afford it. There is many, many factors.

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  Reply # 590724 5-Mar-2012 14:58 Send private message

codyc1515: Population density means nothing if 99% of the population can't afford it. There is many, many factors.

Agree, but 9$/month is quite affordable.
To compare:
Landline phone - $4/month.
IT salary (after taxes) here vary $4800..$36000 per annum (depending on your skills and luck).

(all figures are in USD)

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  Reply # 590726 5-Mar-2012 15:00 Send private message

featherball:
codyc1515: Population density means nothing if 99% of the population can't afford it. There is many, many factors.

Agree, but 9$/month is quite affordable.
To compare:
Landline phone - $4/month.
IT salary (after taxes) here vary $4800..$36000 per annum (depending on your skills and luck).

(all figures are in USD)

LOL, landline phone here is $40 NZD.

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Reply # 590735 5-Mar-2012 15:09 Send private message

codyc1515: LOL, landline phone here is $40 NZD.

Is it possible to get uncapped 10Mbit/s symmetric and uncapped traffic for $90 NZD?
If so, I'm very interested, since I'm planning to move to NZ soon.

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