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  Reply # 596643 17-Mar-2012 23:24 Send private message

ALTRON: I live on a street which has both UFB year one and business fibre.

Do i wait for my ISP release UFB plans or something? (slingshot)

Year ONE UFB is scheduled for the end of April



Once the rollout is completed for your area you simply contact any ISP you wish who you want to be connected with (Provided they have a UFB Based plan at the time)

Currently only Orcon has a UFB plan but more ISP's should be releasing them over the next couple of months.

They will check through their list of things and then tell you if a connection is possible, Once it is possible they will request a Tech visit your property and quote/install the required cabling and devices, Once this is done the connection will be made active.

There is no requirement for you to stay with your current ISP however if you are still under contract with them there will be a Termination Fee.

EDITED:

There is also another Map (Link Below) which in some cases provides the UFB Cabinet install month which may say your cabinet is already installed and potentially already operational.

http://bcc.telecomwholesale.co.nz/

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  Reply # 601980 29-Mar-2012 15:35 Send private message

It seems I am just as confused as many others in this forum.  

We are situated in the Auckland CBD (meters off Queen St) and have 2 Fibre connections terminating in the server room.  They were working but the cost was far to much for a service that was just way to unreliable so are sitting there dead now.  We have contacted Orcon and other ISP's and have been told that we can not get UFB for about 3 more years as we are not on the Chorus network.  Yet Chorus have said we are and all the gear that managed the connection is Telecom branded gear, actually we are in and old telecom call center, so think we actually have 6 fibre connections in the server room but have only used 2 in the past.

So what confuses me is we have fibre but no one can connect it even though it was working 6 months ago, we now have to wait 3 more years for it to be rolled out, seems very backward to have the hardware in place but it will take 3 years for it to start working.

We have had quotes from other suppliers (not Orcon of WxC) but they start at around $800+gst a month for the connection 10/10 (not 50/30 so anything better) and then $2.50 per Mb, yet these new UFB plans are cheap, real cheap compared.  I realise that there will be a difference in the quality of service that I get from the more expensive ISP's compared to the UFB ones but come on,  non UFB ISP's can connect us in a couple of days yet we  are told by the UFB suppliers it will be 3 years plus, yes 3 years for UFB in the CBD of NZ's largest city.  

My question is, if it is connected and on the Chorus network why can't it be activated to use UFB why will it take 3 years to do so? Where do the likes of Orcon get the info that it will take 3 years, when we already have Fibre? This is what confuses me the most.

Our address does not fall under year 1 or 2 on the roll out map but does fall under the Chorus roll out so when is that available? 



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  Reply # 602004 29-Mar-2012 16:09 Send private message

You're on the "old" Chorus network, not the new UFB one. The older system is a point-to-point link which costs quite a bit more than the shared (GPON) system used for UFB.

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  Reply # 602019 29-Mar-2012 16:29 Send private message

Thanks for replying, got that part. But why such a long wait for businesses, wouldn't it make sense if everyone who has fibre already, get them up and going on the new UFB, then move to laying new fibre to the other places.  Why make those who already have fibre wait the longest? Oh cause they can keep charging us ridiculous rates!  Talking to other businesses in the area everyone else has fibre too, but just can not afford it.  So it is here already, no extra cost other than, guessing here, a little upgrade at the exchange.  I am sure that costs less than laying new fibre to everyone else and upgrading an exchange.  The timing's seem mad to me.

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  Reply # 602023 29-Mar-2012 16:32 Send private message

puggy: [snip] no extra cost other than, guessing here, a little upgrade at the exchange.  I am sure that costs less than laying new fibre to everyone else and upgrading an exchange.  The timing's seem mad to me.


Your assumption is wrong I'm afraid. It's not a little upgrade at the exchange.

Cheers - N

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  Reply # 602040 29-Mar-2012 16:54 Send private message

puggy: Thanks for replying, got that part. But why such a long wait for businesses, wouldn't it make sense if everyone who has fibre already, get them up and going on the new UFB, then move to laying new fibre to the other places.  Why make those who already have fibre wait the longest? Oh cause they can keep charging us ridiculous rates!  Talking to other businesses in the area everyone else has fibre too, but just can not afford it.  So it is here already, no extra cost other than, guessing here, a little upgrade at the exchange.  I am sure that costs less than laying new fibre to everyone else and upgrading an exchange.  The timing's seem mad to me.


The current fibre cannot be converted to GPON based fibre. That is the underlying problem, the cheap UFB fibre services will require a huge amount of new gear to be installed and run down the street. 





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  Reply # 602042 29-Mar-2012 16:56 Send private message

puggy: It seems I am just as confused as many others in this forum.  

We are situated in the Auckland CBD (meters off Queen St) and have 2 Fibre connections terminating in the server room.  They were working but the cost was far to much for a service that was just way to unreliable so are sitting there dead now.  We have contacted Orcon and other ISP's and have been told that we can not get UFB for about 3 more years as we are not on the Chorus network.  Yet Chorus have said we are and all the gear that managed the connection is Telecom branded gear, actually we are in and old telecom call center, so think we actually have 6 fibre connections in the server room but have only used 2 in the past.

So what confuses me is we have fibre but no one can connect it even though it was working 6 months ago, we now have to wait 3 more years for it to be rolled out, seems very backward to have the hardware in place but it will take 3 years for it to start working.

We have had quotes from other suppliers (not Orcon of WxC) but they start at around $800+gst a month for the connection 10/10 (not 50/30 so anything better) and then $2.50 per Mb, yet these new UFB plans are cheap, real cheap compared.  I realise that there will be a difference in the quality of service that I get from the more expensive ISP's compared to the UFB ones but come on,  non UFB ISP's can connect us in a couple of days yet we  are told by the UFB suppliers it will be 3 years plus, yes 3 years for UFB in the CBD of NZ's largest city.  

My question is, if it is connected and on the Chorus network why can't it be activated to use UFB why will it take 3 years to do so? Where do the likes of Orcon get the info that it will take 3 years, when we already have Fibre? This is what confuses me the most.

Our address does not fall under year 1 or 2 on the roll out map but does fall under the Chorus roll out so when is that available? 



Puggy, $800 is excessive for 10/10 fibre access fee, without services, no matter from which fibre supplier.  Even at 100/100 it should be no where near $800.  I suggest you shop around.

Regarding UFB fibre and pricing confusion, when Chorus won the UFB contract they converted their existing fibre product, HSNS Premium, to UFB pricing regulated in by the CFH.  This pricing almost halved overnight and other fibre providers competing with HSNS Premium also followed suit.  HSNS Premium is part of UFB fibre network, but its different from the UFB GPON thats being built and hence the price differences. 
 

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  Reply # 602045 29-Mar-2012 16:58 Send private message

Kiwipixter: Puggy, $800 is excessive for 10/10 fibre access fee, without services, no matter from which fibre supplier.  Even at 100/100 it should be no where near $800.  I suggest you shop around.

Hmm! $800 is cheaper than what Telecom quoted me for 10/10. Can you suggest any other ISPs that I should ask?

Edit: Oh, without services. Telecom's pricing included Internet access (no data cap).

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  Reply # 602047 29-Mar-2012 17:04 Send private message

Zeon: The current fibre cannot be converted to GPON based fibre. That is the underlying problem, the cheap UFB fibre services will require a huge amount of new gear to be installed and run down the street. 


Thanks everyone, I guess me last question is why such a long time frame and how do you find an estimated install date? We are on K'rd right by Queen st.  If you look on the map we fall under the Chorus rollout but not the 1 or 2 year rollout.  And does that also mean the cables to our building will also need to be replaced, surely they will connect them to the GPON system at the exchange and use the same cabling as it seems majority of us in the area have fibre just no one actually using it due to price, instead like us have multiple ADSL.  

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  Reply # 602052 29-Mar-2012 17:16 Send private message

Behodar:
Kiwipixter: Puggy, $800 is excessive for 10/10 fibre access fee, without services, no matter from which fibre supplier.  Even at 100/100 it should be no where near $800.  I suggest you shop around.

Hmm! $800 is cheaper than what Telecom quoted me for 10/10. Can you suggest any other ISPs that I should ask?

Edit: Oh, without services. Telecom's pricing included Internet access (no data cap).



Orcon with 100/100 with unlimited national traffic in Auckland was $850 a month via Telstra fibre. They have a bunch of options with their international but it can be shared across connections so shared with colocation it works out at about $500 for 10mbps PIR 2mbps CIR international and we pretty much can get 20-30mbps if enough connections are open.





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