Geekzone: technology news, blogs, forums
Guest
Welcome Guest.
You haven't logged in yet. If you don't have an account you can register now.

View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic
1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | ... | 16
1764 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 65


  Reply # 547593 20-Nov-2011 21:50 Send private message

Maybe the Lock will only apply to handsets purchased with Skinny money...

With a plethora of handsets that'll work on multiple networks who would buy into a network that locked an existing handset???

1599 posts

Uber Geek
Inactive user


  Reply # 547594 20-Nov-2011 21:53 Send private message

oxnsox: Maybe the Lock will only apply to handsets purchased with Skinny money...

With a plethora of handsets that'll work on multiple networks who would buy into a network that locked an existing handset???

Look at who they are targeting. By the looks of it people with not a lot of money, I would take this as probably being kids/teens. The average teen in NZ is not really going to know if a phone is locked or what that even means.

1764 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 65


  Reply # 547601 20-Nov-2011 22:01 Send private message

codyc1515:
oxnsox: Maybe the Lock will only apply to handsets purchased with Skinny money...

With a plethora of handsets that'll work on multiple networks who would buy into a network that locked an existing handset???

Look at who they are targeting. By the looks of it people with not a lot of money, I would take this as probably being kids/teens. The average teen in NZ is not really going to know if a phone is locked or what that even means.

And they've probably got a new(ish) smart phone they bought off trademe.... 

And if you read this and other forums these are exactly the people who have trouble understanding the commitment to a contract, repaying the handset subsidy, why they can't just change plans/networks/handsets in the time it takes to order some fast food.

If Skinny goes down that path they're buying themselves a lot of head banging... and that is not a way to keep costs down

1992 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 257

Trusted
Subscriber

  Reply # 547620 20-Nov-2011 22:42 Send private message

While I believe locking handsets to networks is rather silly, it does semi solve one problem. Currently if a Vodafone or XT phone is stolen you can just use it on 2degrees without having to worry about any IMEI blocks as 2degrees has no blocked phone register.

This way whoever steals/buys a stolen phone will have to pony up $30 and probably get caught in the process when they ask telecom for the unlock code :)

Infrastructure Geek
3688 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 87

Trusted
Microsoft NZ
Subscriber

  Reply # 547621 20-Nov-2011 22:44 Send private message

codyc1515:
Regs:
richms: I have no problem with handset locking if it comes with a substantial subsidy and is advised upfront what the buyout cost is. Hopefully a subsidy and lock would allow telecom to supply some decentish handsets at a price that will get people off CDMA sooner rather than later.


telecom are currently sending cdma customers a flyer to buy new handsets at discounted rates.  some i know has a cdma handset- they've probably not made a call on it for 1 year or more, they can choose from 3 XT handsets starting at $29... 

Those we're on contract prices if I'm not mistaken, if thats the case then the contract is the lock. There is no need to lock the phone.



nope.  the person  i know has no contract whatsoever.  their mobile bills to their home phone account *if* they use it, which they more or less dont. 




Technical Evangelist
Microsoft NZ
about.me/nzregs
Twitter: @nzregs


1599 posts

Uber Geek
Inactive user


  Reply # 547623 20-Nov-2011 22:46 Send private message

Regs:
codyc1515:
Regs:
richms: I have no problem with handset locking if it comes with a substantial subsidy and is advised upfront what the buyout cost is. Hopefully a subsidy and lock would allow telecom to supply some decentish handsets at a price that will get people off CDMA sooner rather than later.


telecom are currently sending cdma customers a flyer to buy new handsets at discounted rates.  some i know has a cdma handset- they've probably not made a call on it for 1 year or more, they can choose from 3 XT handsets starting at $29... 

Those we're on contract prices if I'm not mistaken, if thats the case then the contract is the lock. There is no need to lock the phone.



nope.  the person  i know has no contract whatsoever.  their mobile bills to their home phone account *if* they use it, which they more or less dont. 

No, I meant to get the phone that cheap you have to sign onto a contract.

2834 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 531

Trusted
Subscriber

  Reply # 547625 20-Nov-2011 22:47 Send private message

insane:  2degrees has no blocked phone register.




You know that thieves don't care about block lists, right? They flog the phones off straight away. They don't care whether they *work* or not. And if they *do* care they can just change the IMEI.

I mean, put it this way, did phone theft suddenly go from zero to 100 when 2degrees entered the market?




iPad Air + iPhone 5S + 2degrees 4tw!

These comments are my own and do not represent the opinions of 2degrees.

1599 posts

Uber Geek
Inactive user


  Reply # 547626 20-Nov-2011 22:51 Send private message

SaltyNZ:
insane:  2degrees has no blocked phone register.




You know that thieves don't care about block lists, right? They flog the phones off straight away. They don't care whether they *work* or not. And if they *do* care they can just change the IMEI.

I mean, put it this way, did phone theft suddenly go from zero to 100 when 2degrees entered the market?

I mean, put it this way, did phone theft suddenly go from 100 to zero when 2degrees entered the market?
Are you endorsing not having the blacklist? 

2834 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 531

Trusted
Subscriber

  Reply # 547627 20-Nov-2011 22:53 Send private message

codyc1515:
Are you endorsing not having the blacklist? 


No, I just wonder why everyone is so hung up on it. It doesn't stop theft, and it won't get you your phone back. It really won't.




iPad Air + iPhone 5S + 2degrees 4tw!

These comments are my own and do not represent the opinions of 2degrees.

1599 posts

Uber Geek
Inactive user


  Reply # 547629 20-Nov-2011 22:56 Send private message

SaltyNZ:
codyc1515:
Are you endorsing not having the blacklist? 


No, I just wonder why everyone is so hung up on it. It doesn't stop theft, and it won't get you your phone back. It really won't.

Who benefits? I think you make it quite clear. Hint: its not the customer.

11019 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 507

Trusted
Subscriber

  Reply # 547630 20-Nov-2011 22:57 Send private message

SaltyNZ:
No, I just wonder why everyone is so hung up on it. It doesn't stop theft, and it won't get you your phone back. It really won't.


They just go off to another country, just as stolen UK ones end up in NZ and AU.




Richard rich.ms

1599 posts

Uber Geek
Inactive user


  Reply # 547631 20-Nov-2011 23:00 Send private message

richms:
SaltyNZ:
No, I just wonder why everyone is so hung up on it. It doesn't stop theft, and it won't get you your phone back. It really won't.


They just go off to another country, just as stolen UK ones end up in NZ and AU.

Thats why we need a global blacklist. Oh wait, that already exists (http://www.gsmworld.com/our-work/programmes-and-initiatives/fraud-and-security/imei_database.htm).

Infrastructure Geek
3688 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 87

Trusted
Microsoft NZ
Subscriber

  Reply # 547634 20-Nov-2011 23:16 Send private message

codyc1515:
Regs:
codyc1515:
Regs:
richms: I have no problem with handset locking if it comes with a substantial subsidy and is advised upfront what the buyout cost is. Hopefully a subsidy and lock would allow telecom to supply some decentish handsets at a price that will get people off CDMA sooner rather than later.


telecom are currently sending cdma customers a flyer to buy new handsets at discounted rates.  some i know has a cdma handset- they've probably not made a call on it for 1 year or more, they can choose from 3 XT handsets starting at $29... 

Those we're on contract prices if I'm not mistaken, if thats the case then the contract is the lock. There is no need to lock the phone.



nope.  the person  i know has no contract whatsoever.  their mobile bills to their home phone account *if* they use it, which they more or less dont. 

No, I meant to get the phone that cheap you have to sign onto a contract.



no, no contract.  




Technical Evangelist
Microsoft NZ
about.me/nzregs
Twitter: @nzregs


1599 posts

Uber Geek
Inactive user


  Reply # 547635 20-Nov-2011 23:18 Send private message

Regs:
codyc1515:
Regs:
codyc1515:
Regs:
richms: I have no problem with handset locking if it comes with a substantial subsidy and is advised upfront what the buyout cost is. Hopefully a subsidy and lock would allow telecom to supply some decentish handsets at a price that will get people off CDMA sooner rather than later.


telecom are currently sending cdma customers a flyer to buy new handsets at discounted rates.  some i know has a cdma handset- they've probably not made a call on it for 1 year or more, they can choose from 3 XT handsets starting at $29... 

Those we're on contract prices if I'm not mistaken, if thats the case then the contract is the lock. There is no need to lock the phone.



nope.  the person  i know has no contract whatsoever.  their mobile bills to their home phone account *if* they use it, which they more or less dont. 

No, I meant to get the phone that cheap you have to sign onto a contract.



no, no contract.  

Are you sure? We got a similar one the other day and I'm quite sure it did require a contract of some kind.

2295 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 115


  Reply # 547643 21-Nov-2011 01:16 Send private message

I think its a great idea. The youth market needs something like this, but I'm not sure it will really take off. A lot of the people at my school are running on Vodafone, with Vodafone brought handsets, so the bands wont be suited to Telecoms WCDMA network, which means many will need new phones, which many cannot afford. They need to have 2G services I reckon for this to really take off.

We teens like being able to try something out, and if it doesn't work/suit our needs, we want to be able to leave and go back to where we were prior, which isnt really possible on two almost entirely different networks.





2013 MacBook Air (4GB/1.3GHz i5/128GB SSD) - HP DV6 (8GB/2.8GHz i7/120GB SSD + 750GB HDD)
iPhone 5 (16GB/White/Telecom NZ) - Xperia Z C6603 (16GB/Purple/Telecom NZ)

Sam, Auckland 
Skype: tardtasticx

1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | ... | 16
View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic




Twitter »
Follow us to receive Twitter updates when new discussions are posted in our forums:



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when news items and blogs are posted in our frontpage:



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when tech item prices are listed in our price comparison site:




News »

Trending now »
Hot discussions in our forums right now:

Windows 10 announced, as well as developer preview
Created by macuser, last reply by networkn on 2-Oct-2014 15:17 (101 replies)
Pages... 5 6 7


Moment of Truth?
Created by BarTender, last reply by JimmyC on 29-Sep-2014 09:16 (441 replies)
Pages... 28 29 30


Can i have 2 ISP's at home?
Created by ReckITT, last reply by Lazarui on 30-Sep-2014 18:15 (49 replies)
Pages... 2 3 4


What time will the Apple Store online be selling the iPhone 6?
Created by scotiwis, last reply by zipstacrack on 2-Oct-2014 15:23 (134 replies)
Pages... 7 8 9


Why is your nickname what it is, what are the origins of it?
Created by Presso, last reply by xontech on 2-Oct-2014 11:02 (91 replies)
Pages... 5 6 7


Harvey Norman's Biggest Ever Retail Sale
Created by DravidDavid, last reply by joker97 on 2-Oct-2014 14:24 (30 replies)
Pages... 2


iPhone 6 From Spark - Order Dates and Pricing?
Created by Otagolad, last reply by seymor1000 on 2-Oct-2014 13:50 (350 replies)
Pages... 22 23 24


Easiest way to have iPhone warranty service
Created by JoshWright, last reply by nitrotech on 30-Sep-2014 21:37 (15 replies)


Geekzone Live »
Try automatic live updates from Geekzone directly in your browser, without refreshing the page, with Geekzone Live now.

Are you subscribed to our RSS feed? You can download the latest headlines and summaries from our stories directly to your computer or smartphone by using a feed reader.

Alternatively, you can receive a daily email with Geekzone updates.