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  Reply # 566142 8-Jan-2012 16:55 Send private message

ajw:
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johnr:
Zeon:
hamish225: yes, i realise that. but i figure that since it goes through telecoms network that it wouldn't cost them anything to include telecom too.

it was more of a suggestion really.

Many of 2degrees calls go through the Vodafone network but it costs them. Remember skinny is a seperate company to Telecom and they are buying wholesale from Telecom's network just like Telstra or Digital Island?


As I understand Skinny is 100% owned by Telecom NZ


Telecom - owned by not ruled by.  We're on our own in a tiny office above a pub.  

The offer is Skinny to Skinny only.


I note the on-net Skinny to Skinny offer ends 30 April 2012. Perhaps to differentiate yourself from your competitors this on-net offer could be extended or perhaps a certain amount of free on-net minutes given to each customer per month.


It would seem very clear from a marketing point of view that this offer only exists so end users will convince their friends to also move to Skinny.

As for other who want this entended to other networks - why would any telco in their right mind offer 1000 minutes of free calling to customers on another network? They may as well just offer a website handing out free $50 notes to anybody who wants one.


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  Reply # 566145 8-Jan-2012 17:04 Send private message

sbiddle:
ajw:
LivingSkinny:
johnr:
Zeon:
hamish225: yes, i realise that. but i figure that since it goes through telecoms network that it wouldn't cost them anything to include telecom too.

it was more of a suggestion really.

Many of 2degrees calls go through the Vodafone network but it costs them. Remember skinny is a seperate company to Telecom and they are buying wholesale from Telecom's network just like Telstra or Digital Island?


As I understand Skinny is 100% owned by Telecom NZ


Telecom - owned by not ruled by.  We're on our own in a tiny office above a pub.  

The offer is Skinny to Skinny only.


I note the on-net Skinny to Skinny offer ends 30 April 2012. Perhaps to differentiate yourself from your competitors this on-net offer could be extended or perhaps a certain amount of free on-net minutes given to each customer per month.


It would seem very clear from a marketing point of view that this offer only exists so end users will convince their friends to also move to Skinny.

As for other who want this entended to other networks - why would any telco in their right mind offer 1000 minutes of free calling to customers on another network? They may as well just offer a website handing out free $50 notes to anybody who wants one.



I did specify on-net not off-net.



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  Reply # 566147 8-Jan-2012 17:06 Send private message

sbiddle:
ajw:
LivingSkinny:
johnr:
Zeon:
hamish225: yes, i realise that. but i figure that since it goes through telecoms network that it wouldn't cost them anything to include telecom too.

it was more of a suggestion really.

Many of 2degrees calls go through the Vodafone network but it costs them. Remember skinny is a seperate company to Telecom and they are buying wholesale from Telecom's network just like Telstra or Digital Island?


As I understand Skinny is 100% owned by Telecom NZ


Telecom - owned by not ruled by.  We're on our own in a tiny office above a pub.  

The offer is Skinny to Skinny only.


I note the on-net Skinny to Skinny offer ends 30 April 2012. Perhaps to differentiate yourself from your competitors this on-net offer could be extended or perhaps a certain amount of free on-net minutes given to each customer per month.


It would seem very clear from a marketing point of view that this offer only exists so end users will convince their friends to also move to Skinny.

As for other who want this entended to other networks - why would any telco in their right mind offer 1000 minutes of free calling to customers on another network? They may as well just offer a website handing out free $50 notes to anybody who wants one.



I'll have one! ;)

also, of course it's to get people to move their friends.
Worked for me, I called my best friend and told her to go and get a free sim off the internet, since she is pretty much their target market.
But oh i just realised she has a 2degrees phone and it's not going to work. Dammit.
oh well ill give her my old one :) 













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  Reply # 566166 8-Jan-2012 17:46 Send private message

Zeon:
hamish225: yes, i realise that. but i figure that since it goes through telecoms network that it wouldn't cost them anything to include telecom too.

it was more of a suggestion really.

Many of 2degrees calls go through the Vodafone network but it costs them. Remember skinny is a seperate company to Telecom and they are buying wholesale from Telecom's network just like Telstra or Digital Island 


When I've been with Orcon and Black+White all calls to Vodafone mobiles would count as an on-network call. I'd assume it would work the same on XT? 





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  Reply # 566168 8-Jan-2012 17:54 Send private message

johnr: Most new Smart plans have free NZBestmate/s depending on the plan


John I note on-net best mates are still offered as a add on.

http://www.vodafone.co.nz/phones-plans/add-ons/

BestMate 1000TXT Add-On Calling Add-OnYou get
  • Up to 1000 minutes and 1000 TXTs to 1 Vodafone NZ mobile.
BenefitsGet loads of calls & TXTs to one BestMate on the Vodafone NZ network
$6per
month
Buy now?

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  Reply # 566173 8-Jan-2012 18:17 Send private message

tardtasticx:
Zeon:
hamish225: yes, i realise that. but i figure that since it goes through telecoms network that it wouldn't cost them anything to include telecom too.

it was more of a suggestion really.

Many of 2degrees calls go through the Vodafone network but it costs them. Remember skinny is a seperate company to Telecom and they are buying wholesale from Telecom's network just like Telstra or Digital Island 


When I've been with Orcon and Black+White all calls to Vodafone mobiles would count as an on-network call. I'd assume it would work the same on XT? 


I wouldn't assume that at all - there is no way they'd want free calling to XT handsets, or everybody would be getting Skinny SIM's just for the free calling.


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  Reply # 566184 8-Jan-2012 18:32 Send private message

ajw:
johnr: Most new Smart plans have free NZBestmate/s depending on the plan


John I note on-net best mates are still offered as a add on.

http://www.vodafone.co.nz/phones-plans/add-ons/

BestMate 1000TXT Add-On Calling Add-OnYou get
  • Up to 1000 minutes and 1000 TXTs to 1 Vodafone NZ mobile.
BenefitsGet loads of calls & TXTs to one BestMate on the Vodafone NZ network
$6per
month
Buy now?


Did you read what I wrote and what you quoted??

I know what Vodafone offers and I know they offer Bestmate/s and NZbestmate/s

I was speaking of the new Smart plans not Supa prepay what you have posted the info for

John




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  Reply # 566194 8-Jan-2012 18:47 Send private message

johnr:
ajw:
johnr: Most new Smart plans have free NZBestmate/s depending on the plan


John I note on-net best mates are still offered as a add on.

http://www.vodafone.co.nz/phones-plans/add-ons/

BestMate 1000TXT Add-On Calling Add-OnYou get
  • Up to 1000 minutes and 1000 TXTs to 1 Vodafone NZ mobile.
BenefitsGet loads of calls & TXTs to one BestMate on the Vodafone NZ network
$6per
month
Buy now?


Did you read what I wrote and what you quoted??

I know what Vodafone offers and I know they offer Bestmate/s and NZbestmate/s

I was speaking of the new Smart plans not Supa prepay what you have posted the info for

John


Apologies.

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  Reply # 572016 22-Jan-2012 18:10 Send private message

sbiddle:  why would any telco in their right mind offer 1000 minutes of free calling to customers on another network? They may as well just offer a website handing out free $50 notes to anybody who wants one.



Vodafone offers this with NZBestmate. 

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  Reply # 572034 22-Jan-2012 18:26 Send private message

simon14:
sbiddle:  why would any telco in their right mind offer 1000 minutes of free calling to customers on another network? They may as well just offer a website handing out free $50 notes to anybody who wants one.



Vodafone offers this with NZBestmate. 


No they don't.

Vodafone give you the ability to nominate a single number of any other network to call, providing you're giving them at least $45 per month for a plan.

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  Reply # 572038 22-Jan-2012 18:28 Send private message

sbiddle:
simon14:
sbiddle:  why would any telco in their right mind offer 1000 minutes of free calling to customers on another network? They may as well just offer a website handing out free $50 notes to anybody who wants one.



Vodafone offers this with NZBestmate. 


No they don't.

Vodafone give you the ability to nominate a single number of any other network to call, providing you're giving them at least $45 per month for a plan.


Prepay Smart is $35 per month and comes with a free NZbestmate.

In terms of actual cost for the telco, it doesn't make any diff if you are calling one number off-net for 1000 minutes or multiple numbers off-net for 1000 minutes. 

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  Reply # 572126 22-Jan-2012 21:15 Send private message

simon14:
sbiddle:
simon14:
sbiddle:  why would any telco in their right mind offer 1000 minutes of free calling to customers on another network? They may as well just offer a website handing out free $50 notes to anybody who wants one.



Vodafone offers this with NZBestmate. 


No they don't.

Vodafone give you the ability to nominate a single number of any other network to call, providing you're giving them at least $45 per month for a plan.


Prepay Smart is $35 per month and comes with a free NZbestmate.

In terms of actual cost for the telco, it doesn't make any diff if you are calling one number off-net for 1000 minutes or multiple numbers off-net for 1000 minutes. 


Correct.

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  Reply # 572133 22-Jan-2012 21:39 Send private message

simon14:
sbiddle:
simon14:
sbiddle:  why would any telco in their right mind offer 1000 minutes of free calling to customers on another network? They may as well just offer a website handing out free $50 notes to anybody who wants one.



Vodafone offers this with NZBestmate. 


No they don't.

Vodafone give you the ability to nominate a single number of any other network to call, providing you're giving them at least $45 per month for a plan.


Prepay Smart is $35 per month and comes with a free NZbestmate.

In terms of actual cost for the telco, it doesn't make any diff if you are calling one number off-net for 1000 minutes or multiple numbers off-net for 1000 minutes. 


Did I say anywhere that it made any difference to the actual cost of delivering the service?

It makes no difference to the cost, but from a business point of view it makes a massive difference, and if you can't see how obvious that is then there clearly is no point discussing this further.

Quite clearly if a telco was giving away 1000 minutes of anytime any network calls providing you gave them $4 per week their network would be flooded with new subscribers. They'd also be losing a $hedload of money.



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  Reply # 572140 22-Jan-2012 21:50 Send private message

sbiddle:
simon14:
sbiddle:
simon14:
sbiddle:  why would any telco in their right mind offer 1000 minutes of free calling to customers on another network? They may as well just offer a website handing out free $50 notes to anybody who wants one.



Vodafone offers this with NZBestmate. 


No they don't.

Vodafone give you the ability to nominate a single number of any other network to call, providing you're giving them at least $45 per month for a plan.


Prepay Smart is $35 per month and comes with a free NZbestmate.

In terms of actual cost for the telco, it doesn't make any diff if you are calling one number off-net for 1000 minutes or multiple numbers off-net for 1000 minutes. 


Did I say anywhere that it made any difference to the actual cost of delivering the service?

It makes no difference to the cost, but from a business point of view it makes a massive difference, and if you can't see how obvious that is then there clearly is no point discussing this further.

Quite clearly if a telco was giving away 1000 minutes of anytime any network calls providing you gave them $4 per week their network would be flooded with new subscribers. They'd also be losing a $hedload of money.




You stated:

sbiddle:  why would any telco in their right mind offer 1000 minutes of free calling to customers on another network?
 

I simply advised that Vodafone does.

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  Reply # 572144 22-Jan-2012 21:52 Send private message

simon14:
sbiddle:
simon14:
sbiddle:
simon14:
sbiddle:  why would any telco in their right mind offer 1000 minutes of free calling to customers on another network? They may as well just offer a website handing out free $50 notes to anybody who wants one.



Vodafone offers this with NZBestmate. 


No they don't.

Vodafone give you the ability to nominate a single number of any other network to call, providing you're giving them at least $45 per month for a plan.


Prepay Smart is $35 per month and comes with a free NZbestmate.

In terms of actual cost for the telco, it doesn't make any diff if you are calling one number off-net for 1000 minutes or multiple numbers off-net for 1000 minutes. 


Did I say anywhere that it made any difference to the actual cost of delivering the service?

It makes no difference to the cost, but from a business point of view it makes a massive difference, and if you can't see how obvious that is then there clearly is no point discussing this further.

Quite clearly if a telco was giving away 1000 minutes of anytime any network calls providing you gave them $4 per week their network would be flooded with new subscribers. They'd also be losing a $hedload of money.




You stated - "why would any telco in their right mind offer 1000 minutes of free calling to customers on another network?"

I simply advised that Vodafone does.


No they don't.

For a fee they offer 1000 minutes to a customer on another network. Customer. Not customers. The extra s makes a big difference!


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