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  Reply # 621460 8-May-2012 09:59 Send private message

Kyanar:
NonprayingMantis: It might not be technically illegal, but if this gets critical mass*, how long before Sky/Quickflix/TVNZ etc lobby their rights holders to force Netflix et el to introduce requirements to have a US based Credit card and proof of address before signing up, thus utterly destroying Fyx's model?


*if it remains a small niche type ISP like Maxnet, probably never going to happen, but if it gets adopted by Telecom/Telstraclear etc, then it will get big pretty quickly.


They already do require a US credit card.  Unfortunately for them, a certain debit card issued by a certain large New Zealand company in association with BNZ apparently fulfills this requirement.


I can confirm this too, I have Hulu Plus.  It's amazing, haven't turned our Freeview box on in months, and when TVNZ 7 becomes infomercials there will be no reason to even have it.

FYX

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Fyx

  Reply # 621472 8-May-2012 10:07 Send private message

Beccara: Talk about painting a giant target on your back, Just because end users with some work can get around geofencing doesn't mean an ISP can offer it as a product and will FYX support the global mode when Hulu/Netflix/whoever figure out how they are doing it and block it?


Hi Beccara,

We are not accessing any content as a product here, just broader access to the internet.  All users (no matter where they are and what ISP they are using) need to be aware of the T&C's of sites they are visiting.

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  Reply # 621475 8-May-2012 10:11 Send private message

Hi there, how do you charge for phone calls? National and international?

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  Reply # 621479 8-May-2012 10:15 Send private message

FYX: Hi kyhwana2 - yes, we do use the DIA filter


FYX: we are providing a service that gives much greater access to the internet


I'm sure there's irony at play here somewhere..




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  Reply # 621488 8-May-2012 10:22 Send private message

mattRSK: Hi there, how do you charge for phone calls? National and international?

Fyx doesn't appear to offer phone service.

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  Reply # 621489 8-May-2012 10:25 Send private message

RedJungle:
FYX: Hi kyhwana2 - yes, we do use the DIA filter


FYX: we are providing a service that gives much greater access to the internet


I'm sure there's irony at play here somewhere..


Ohh good point. "We help you break websites ToS, but we also use the DIA filter, which has already added Not Child Porn Abuse Images to it's filtering list."
I imagine, just like in the UK where they use the same system (Cleanfeed) and have already added TPB to their "Child porn only filtered sites", the same thing will eventually happen here. 

"Told you so"


FYX

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  Reply # 621494 8-May-2012 10:29 Send private message

Hi mattRSK and Behodar

I can confirm that we do not provide phone services at this stage.

With our Pay as you Go model, you'll find it'll still be very competitive, even if you have to have your phone with another company.

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  Reply # 621498 8-May-2012 10:37 Send private message

You are right. If I keep using the same level of data I would pay almost the same as what I do now. Added to that I would not require a VPN. Tempting to change.

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  Reply # 621504 8-May-2012 10:45 Send private message

mattRSK: You are right. If I keep using the same level of data I would pay almost the same as what I do now. Added to that I would not require a VPN. Tempting to change.


We'd love to have you!

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  Reply # 621507 8-May-2012 10:48 Send private message

FYX:
Beccara: Talk about painting a giant target on your back, Just because end users with some work can get around geofencing doesn't mean an ISP can offer it as a product and will FYX support the global mode when Hulu/Netflix/whoever figure out how they are doing it and block it?


Hi Beccara,

We are not accessing any content as a product here, just broader access to the internet.  All users (no matter where they are and what ISP they are using) need to be aware of the T&C's of sites they are visiting.


Thats great but if I signed upto this and used it to access netflix and down the line netflix figured out how you are doing your global mode and blocked it would you support it and fix it by finding another way around it?

Because if you dont there's no point to the product, If you get "known" then the content holders will try and stop you one way or another.

I honestly can't believe an idea like this got past management and as other's have stated it's quite ironic when you use the DIA filter




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  Reply # 621523 8-May-2012 11:11 Send private message

Beccara:
FYX:
Beccara: Talk about painting a giant target on your back, Just because end users with some work can get around geofencing doesn't mean an ISP can offer it as a product and will FYX support the global mode when Hulu/Netflix/whoever figure out how they are doing it and block it?


Hi Beccara,

We are not accessing any content as a product here, just broader access to the internet.  All users (no matter where they are and what ISP they are using) need to be aware of the T&C's of sites they are visiting.


Thats great but if I signed upto this and used it to access netflix and down the line netflix figured out how you are doing your global mode and blocked it would you support it and fix it by finding another way around it?

Because if you dont there's no point to the product, If you get "known" then the content holders will try and stop you one way or another.

I honestly can't believe an idea like this got past management and as other's have stated it's quite ironic when you use the DIA filter


Surely there's a world of difference between objectionable material (aka "child porn") and access to legitimate content that is region locked?

One is a crime of the vilest nature, the other is an issue regarding a business model.

All FYX is doing is providing access to the internet. If we go down the path of demanding our ISPs know what we use the connection for, we'll be holding all ISPs liable for every action of every user. That's not tenable. 

At the end of the day ISPs offer internet access. It's up to the user to obey laws, terms and conditions and EULAs.

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  Reply # 621534 8-May-2012 11:34 Send private message

kyhwana2: Boom, goes xnet. However MAXNet do use the DIA filter, just so people are aware.
(And no talk of IPv6?)


I thought this exact thing when I read Paul's blog.  I spose it's the reward you get for complacency.




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  Reply # 621538 8-May-2012 11:41 Send private message

NonprayingMantis:
Kyanar:
  It might not be technically illegal, but if this gets critical mass*, how long before Sky/Quickflix/TVNZ etc lobby their rights holders to force Netflix et el to introduce requirements to have a US based Credit card and proof of address before signing up, thus utterly destroying Fyx's model?


*if it remains a small niche type ISP like Maxnet, probably never going to happen, but if it gets adopted by Telecom/Telstraclear etc, then it will get big pretty quickly.


They already do require a US credit card.  Unfortunately for them, a certain debit card issued by a certain large New Zealand company in association with BNZ apparently fulfills this requirement.


it fulfills the requirment of having a US based address?


No, but it doesn't need to.  Even services like Hulu and Netflix aren't stupid enough to reject a customer based on an AVS failure (these cards don't support AVS) as even some big name US-issued cards don't support it.

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  Reply # 621539 8-May-2012 11:42 Send private message

FYX:
mattRSK: You are right. If I keep using the same level of data I would pay almost the same as what I do now. Added to that I would not require a VPN. Tempting to change.


We'd love to have you!


do you do VDSL2 connections?

How do I as a user control my connection if I want it to be the UK then change it to US etc please?

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  Reply # 621540 8-May-2012 11:43 Send private message

PaulBrislen:
Beccara:
FYX:
Beccara: Talk about painting a giant target on your back, Just because end users with some work can get around geofencing doesn't mean an ISP can offer it as a product and will FYX support the global mode when Hulu/Netflix/whoever figure out how they are doing it and block it?


Hi Beccara,

We are not accessing any content as a product here, just broader access to the internet.  All users (no matter where they are and what ISP they are using) need to be aware of the T&C's of sites they are visiting.


Thats great but if I signed upto this and used it to access netflix and down the line netflix figured out how you are doing your global mode and blocked it would you support it and fix it by finding another way around it?

Because if you dont there's no point to the product, If you get "known" then the content holders will try and stop you one way or another.

I honestly can't believe an idea like this got past management and as other's have stated it's quite ironic when you use the DIA filter


Surely there's a world of difference between objectionable material (aka "child porn") and access to legitimate content that is region locked?

One is a crime of the vilest nature, the other is an issue regarding a business model.

All FYX is doing is providing access to the internet. If we go down the path of demanding our ISPs know what we use the connection for, we'll be holding all ISPs liable for every action of every user. That's not tenable. 

At the end of the day ISPs offer internet access. It's up to the user to obey laws, terms and conditions and EULAs.


that is true HOWEVER there is a difference between ISPs providing us a connection which we can use to do what we want, whether legal or not, and ISPs providing us a connection promoted with material that says (or very strongly implies) that it is designed especially to do illegal activities.



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