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  Reply # 621667 8-May-2012 14:31 Send private message

NonprayingMantis: Aside from Netflix etc, would using Fyx also be a handy way to totally avoid getting pinged with a copyright notice?


Pretty sure there are hard and fast laws around that.

GeoffisPure: I think this is a terrible idea. A few points:

1. Maxnet need to make up their mind what they're about. On one hand they encourage censorship by having the DIA filter, and on the other hand they create a business model that appeals MOSTLY do those who want to access stuff they're not allowed to (albeit for different reasons). Their website claims "FYX is an ISP that is all about open access and freedom", yet they know how many people feel about the DIA filter.

Side question: Isn't Maxnet run by some conservative religious group, like the Exclusive Brethren or something? Forgive me and delete this question if I'm wrong.


I can't see why people are comparing the DIA filter to Geo unblocking. The DIA filter is a opt-in kiddie porn filter, ISPs who make use of the service can opt-out if legitimate content started to be blocked. FYX are in no way promoting such viewing at all from what I've read, not sure where you got that impression from.

I'd be more worried about the state of those who want to be able to access the type of content that filter blocks anyway...


Tabuti: This looks awesome.. Once someone jumps on it could you post a speedtest to kiwi servers & some east coast us ones?


Will try tonight




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  Reply # 621670 8-May-2012 14:36 Send private message

Beccara: As it's been stated the DIA filter is no just kiddie porn anymore...


Citation needed. I follow the DIA reports and haven't seen anything about this.








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  Reply # 621672 8-May-2012 14:38 Send private message

GeoffisPure: 

1. Maxnet need to make up their mind what they're about. On one hand they encourage censorship by having the DIA filter, and on the other hand they create a business model that appeals MOSTLY do those who want to access stuff they're not allowed to (albeit for different reasons). Their website claims "FYX is an ISP that is all about open access and freedom", yet they know how many people feel about the DIA filter.


Very different things. The DIA filter is there to prevent access to illegal material - p[ornography involving children. 

Access to Hulu, Netflix, etc is not illegal in any way.






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  Reply # 621682 8-May-2012 14:45 Send private message

Clarification on VPN's and how content providers know where you are-

There are companies such as MaxMind who have big databases of ip addresses and they use various methods to figure out where your IP address is. Usually an ISP will tell them where the IP address is located.
There is nothing illegal with an ISP saying "Oh ip addresses xxx to yyy are located in New York" even though they issue them in New Zealand.

With regard to APNIC who issue ip addresses to ISP's in Australiasia, they are only concerned about where the ISP's head office is located. They dont care where the ISP actually uses the ip address.

Then hulu or the BBC iplayer or speedtest.net people go and pay companies such as Maxmind to provide them with access to their database, knowing that its not exact, and its on a best effort service only.

So Fyx have nothing to do with hulu or the BBC. If my theory is correct, all they are doing is telling a bunch of dumb middlemen that you are located in the USA or britian and not in NZ.

Otherwise they will be routing you via a big fat VPN to a server in the USA and london where traffic to certain websites then gets routed back out onto the internet. If thats the case then they will be natting or routing you based on the websites you are visiting and that could be a little dangerous because what they are doing would suddenly become active, and they are nolonger a passive connection.




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  Reply # 621684 8-May-2012 14:46 Send private message

freitasm:
Citation needed. I follow the DIA reports and haven't seen anything about this.


Given the list is secret (which is of debatable value), it's pretty difficult to know what the filter is and isn't catching.

We do know that originally several thousands of sites were blacklisted by the filter, and over the years this has reduced to as few as 415 in December last, so some stuff almost certainly was blocked that shouldn't have been blocked.

Here is a blog post with a lot of arguments about the DIA filter:
http://www.matthewtaylor.co.nz/2012/02/05/where-would-your-government-be-without-child-porn/

I am not necessarily opposed to the DIA filter, but I do believe more transparency is required to ensure that it is used only for it's intended purpose.

I also think this is  straying pretty far from topic.  




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  Reply # 621685 8-May-2012 14:46 Send private message

freitasm:
Beccara: As it's been stated the DIA filter is no just kiddie porn anymore...


Citation needed. I follow the DIA reports and haven't seen anything about this.




I would love to but since what they block exactly is hidden away from our eye's it's hard, My view stems from one too many incidents of finding things routing via DIA's range when they shouldn't be only to be returned to normal hours later


As for the DIA filter being different to geo blocking both are the thin edge of the wedge in respects to censorship and the DIA debate was done to death years ago and is generally viewed as government internet censorship in a broad context so it still stand to be very hypocritical to use the DIA whilst setting up a service promoting the "full internet"




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  Reply # 621691 8-May-2012 14:53 Send private message

freitasm:
Beccara: As it's been stated the DIA filter is no just kiddie porn anymore...


Citation needed. I follow the DIA reports and haven't seen anything about this.




CG images (In this case Hentai) are on the list: http://fyi.org.nz/request/questions_about_dia_internet_fil

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  Reply # 621705 8-May-2012 15:07 Send private message

My question is, what the hell am I supposed to do with this monstrosity currently sitting in our office? (and why did they send it to me?)





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  Reply # 621709 8-May-2012 15:26 Send private message

nate: My question is, what the hell am I supposed to do with this monstrosity currently sitting in our office? (and why did they send it to me?) 



It looks like a large piece of paper to me. I would suggest writing notes or other information on it for the purpose of recalling that information at a later time.




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  Reply # 621722 8-May-2012 15:38 Send private message

I'm intrigued that the Fyx account on here a couple of days ago strongly insinuated their service was going to allow legal access to the 2012 live F1 coverage.

Presumably now though, when asked about any particular service, they are going only to claim that they offer an ip connection service which can effectively pretend you are in different places.

That's a WHOLE LOT DIFFERENT to what was being implied earlier.... I guess that's why they stopped answering in that other thread :-)

FWIW, I believe the pricing looks good, and the concept is clever, but relies on not being found out. If this hits the radar of the major content providers, they could break it and then how happy would the customers be - given they ere implicitly promised free access to all streaming sites.

Cheers - N

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  Reply # 621726 8-May-2012 15:45 Send private message

Talkiet: I'm intrigued that the Fyx account on here a couple of days ago strongly insinuated their service was going to allow legal access to the 2012 live F1 coverage.

Presumably now though, when asked about any particular service, they are going only to claim that they offer an ip connection service which can effectively pretend you are in different places.

That's a WHOLE LOT DIFFERENT to what was being implied earlier.... I guess that's why they stopped answering in that other thread :-)

FWIW, I believe the pricing looks good, and the concept is clever, but relies on not being found out. If this hits the radar of the major content providers, they could break it and then how happy would the customers be - given they ere implicitly promised free access to all streaming sites.

Cheers - N

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  Reply # 621737 8-May-2012 15:57 Send private message

I like the idea.

I suppose this means that devices like the AppleTV and WD TV Live and other things will have access to streaming goodness?

I hope it works, bugger that I have just re-signed with my ISP.

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  Reply # 621789 8-May-2012 17:43 Send private message

Talkiet: FWIW, I believe the pricing looks good, and the concept is clever, but relies on not being found out. If this hits the radar of the major content providers, they could break it and then how happy would the customers be - given they ere implicitly promised free access to all streaming sites.


Yes a content provider could block Fyx's ip range, but thats a risk that you take.

Also its not specifically free access. Services like netflix are paid services and you will need a US based credit card to pay for those services. Fyx just allows you to access them from NZ.




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  Reply # 621793 8-May-2012 17:48 Send private message

raytaylor:
Talkiet: FWIW, I believe the pricing looks good, and the concept is clever, but relies on not being found out. If this hits the radar of the major content providers, they could break it and then how happy would the customers be - given they ere implicitly promised free access to all streaming sites.


Yes a content provider could block Fyx's ip range, but thats a risk that you take.

Also its not specifically free access. Services like netflix are paid services and you will need a US based credit card to pay for those services. Fyx just allows you to access them from NZ.
 

You don't need a US based credit card, there's some tips and tricks back in this thread a little bit :-D

Just about to watch Once Upon a Time in HD, #worksforme!

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  Reply # 621798 8-May-2012 17:56 Send private message

Kitanai:
raytaylor:
Talkiet: FWIW, I believe the pricing looks good, and the concept is clever, but relies on not being found out. If this hits the radar of the major content providers, they could break it and then how happy would the customers be - given they ere implicitly promised free access to all streaming sites.


Yes a content provider could block Fyx's ip range, but thats a risk that you take.

Also its not specifically free access. Services like netflix are paid services and you will need a US based credit card to pay for those services. Fyx just allows you to access them from NZ.
 

You don't need a US based credit card, there's some tips and tricks back in this thread a little bit :-D

Just about to watch Once Upon a Time in HD, #worksforme!

And if netflix (and the like) are getting their $$ through systems that meet their rules... then they can put their hands on their hearts as they tell the studios.... 'how were we to know?'

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