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  Reply # 621801 8-May-2012 17:58 Send private message

trig42:I suppose this means that devices like the AppleTV and WD TV Live and other things will have access to streaming goodness?


Apple TV already has access to streaming goodness.



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  Reply # 621828 8-May-2012 18:57 Send private message

DrCheese:
trig42:I suppose this means that devices like the AppleTV and WD TV Live and other things will have access to streaming goodness?


Apple TV already has access to streaming goodness.



David.


Not much in NZ.




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  Reply # 621886 8-May-2012 20:39 Send private message

I don't think you need a us credit card for netflix, but mine has been rejected for spotify and hulu even still there are ways around this also 





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  Reply # 621918 8-May-2012 21:39 Send private message

The data plan suits me. I'm very interested for that alone. I'm sure others will be too.

Fyx offer no ability for the customer to set a maximum data use ceiling - is that correct Fyx? Are any email alerts available? Currently with XNET and it's just good knowing it can't go crazy without hitting the upper bound I set. It is not a deal breaker.

The VPN thing is a just a bonus for me. Every now and then someone refers me to a video or resource which is blocked geographically, getting rid of that annoyance would be nice.

Local content streamers will be concerned about this for sure. You can bet some discussions will occur. Btw, the Fyx FAQ page is very clear that access and continued access to any particular service is not guaranteed. Some of you should read it.

I thought it might be useful for CNN - they used to block the live feed geographically- but now they require a login from a participating cable channel.

Regarding legality in the USA - there have been cases where using a website in violation of TOS was found illegal. It's not there yet just for access, but industry players will be watching and looking for weak points they can test in court if it becomes a real problem and they think they can win.

This is just one example, google 'breaking terms of service illegal' for more:

http://computer.howstuffworks.com/internet/basics/web-site-terms-of-service.htm

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  Reply # 621921 8-May-2012 21:50 Send private message

oxnsox:
Kitanai:
raytaylor:
Talkiet: FWIW, I believe the pricing looks good, and the concept is clever, but relies on not being found out. If this hits the radar of the major content providers, they could break it and then how happy would the customers be - given they ere implicitly promised free access to all streaming sites.


Yes a content provider could block Fyx's ip range, but thats a risk that you take.

Also its not specifically free access. Services like netflix are paid services and you will need a US based credit card to pay for those services. Fyx just allows you to access them from NZ.
 

You don't need a US based credit card, there's some tips and tricks back in this thread a little bit :-D

Just about to watch Once Upon a Time in HD, #worksforme!

And if netflix (and the like) are getting their $$ through systems that meet their rules... then they can put their hands on their hearts as they tell the studios.... 'how were we to know?'


Yeah, I assume it is in Netflix contract that they must use certain measures to stop non USA ip addresses using the service so I can't see this changing in the near future.

Hulu is the one I can see changing, they already are much harder to use than other services. They check your IP throughout the stream not just at the start. They also require a US credit card. Because they are owned by the TV networks I could see them trying to shut fyx users out.



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  Reply # 621928 8-May-2012 21:57 Send private message

gzt: This is just one example, google 'breaking terms of service illegal' for more:

http://computer.howstuffworks.com/internet/basics/web-site-terms-of-service.htm


A bit extreme. We banned a few people from Geekzone. A few created new profiles, which were again banned. We could, in theory, invoke New Zealand law and claim they were unauthorised to access Geekzone, which is a criminal offence. But seriously, how would we go with that?






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  Reply # 621956 8-May-2012 22:29 Send private message

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gzt: This is just one example, google 'breaking terms of service illegal' for more:

http://computer.howstuffworks.com/internet/basics/web-site-terms-of-service.htm


A bit extreme. We banned a few people from Geekzone. A few created new profiles, which were again banned. We could, in theory, invoke New Zealand law and claim they were unauthorised to access Geekzone, which is a criminal offence. But seriously, how would we go with that?

No idea. I only intended to point out that case law in the US is slowly building up to the point where it might become possible for a well funded industry player or government agency to win an example case on this basis in the US. And as we've seen with KDC, beginning a prosecution is sometimes all that is needed to put the brakes on useful services.

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  Reply # 622006 8-May-2012 23:40 Send private message

Although your correct that potentially a well funded content provider could indeed possibly put through that argument. However would a well funded content provider remain as well funded if they started to block out access to millions of users not meeting their ToS's correctly.

As lets be honest with somewhere like Netflix there is possibly millions of out of US subscribers for their service and although it's quite cheap take quite cheap and multiply it by millions and it all of a sudden is no small sum we're talking about.

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  Reply # 622016 9-May-2012 00:08 Send private message

It seems everyone is worried about how Netflix and Hulu will react to us kiwis using their services. I would think that SkyTV would be more worried about the service offered by Fyx as they stand to lose customers if such a thing is allowed to happen with relative ease. I mean, why pay sky's exorbitant fees if we are able to get quality shows for much cheaper using Fyx with Netflix or Hulu or whatever other services become available.
Another thing I think could happen is for users of Fyx who sign up to streaming media services could end up with some pretty hefty bills if they are not careful. e.g. They see a show that they have heard about or seen advertised on SOHO and decide to watch it from the first series to catch up to the latest ones, and hey, lets watch it HD since they have a HDTV. Next minute, boom, 300GB usage for the month, but they also noticed a few other shows that they just have to see.

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  Reply # 622022 9-May-2012 01:16 Send private message

k1w33d: It seems everyone is worried about how Netflix and Hulu will react to us kiwis using their services. I would think that SkyTV would be more worried about the service offered by Fyx as they stand to lose customers if such a thing is allowed to happen with relative ease. I mean, why pay sky's exorbitant fees if we are able to get quality shows for much cheaper using Fyx with Netflix or Hulu or whatever other services become available.
Another thing I think could happen is for users of Fyx who sign up to streaming media services could end up with some pretty hefty bills if they are not careful. e.g. They see a show that they have heard about or seen advertised on SOHO and decide to watch it from the first series to catch up to the latest ones, and hey, lets watch it HD since they have a HDTV. Next minute, boom, 300GB usage for the month, but they also noticed a few other shows that they just have to see.


for some context,  HD shows in netflix are around 1GB/hour, so to blow through 300GB in a month you would have to be watching 10 hours a day of streamed HD content - most people have jobs, kids, or social lives that make that impossible.

Realistically, a 100GB cap or thereabouts is going to be more than enough for most people who do some video streaming but also have jobs, social lives, or watch some freeview (news, breakfast etc). Cost for that would be around $70+landline, or $95 naked, on Fyx,so pretty reasonable, especially if you can ditch sky and save $60+ there

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  Reply # 622031 9-May-2012 07:05 Send private message

jtbthatsme: Although your correct that potentially a well funded content provider could indeed possibly put through that argument. However would a well funded content provider remain as well funded if they started to block out access to millions of users not meeting their ToS's correctly. 

As lets be honest with somewhere like Netflix there is possibly millions of out of US subscribers for their service and although it's quite cheap take quite cheap and multiply it by millions and it all of a sudden is no small sum we're talking about.
 
It would not be an entity like Netflix forcing the issue - it will be driven from upstream as usual. The internet is a new frontier. Media companies are determined to stake out the territory - https://www.eff.org/

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  Reply # 622035 9-May-2012 07:35 Send private message

I think everyone is getting all hyped about the lesser part of the service. The way I see it is that $0.34 per GB pay as you go is a great price for no frills internet.

The fact I might be able to get to some stuff I otherwise wouldn't have been able to before is just an added bonus.

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  Reply # 622039 9-May-2012 07:52 Send private message

It is a great price, especially for someone like me that can use 30 GB in one month and 100 the next. Moving over from TelstraClear, I expect to save quite a bit :)

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  Reply # 622046 9-May-2012 08:18 Send private message

Behodar: It is a great price, especially for someone like me that can use 30 GB in one month and 100 the next. Moving over from TelstraClear, I expect to save quite a bit :)

Sorry to bump my previous question (it's all about me!) - but does Fyx provide this service if my phone provider is Telstra Clear cable?




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