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  Reply # 648768 30-Jun-2012 20:33 Send private message

Niel: $23 from PB Tech. You need to tick the box on the right to get the GST inclusive price. Anyway, cheap.

If you see a Chorus van in your neighbourhood, ask the guy if he is interested in a simple cash job. It really does not take that long to do.

To get it done officially is a standard install which I believe is in the order of $150 to $200. No one cares if it is done officially or not, as long as the splitter is Telepermit approved and you have standard phone or solid core network cable.

Phone wiring is just 2 wires with low voltage on it (or a few pairs of which usually only 1 pair is used). The gel filled cable joiners can be purchased from Jaycar for relatively cheap, or maybe Dick Smith (expensive if still available). You insert 2 wires into the gel cavities and whack it with a hammer to drive a blade through the insulation to make the connection. Just keep the correct polarity.


Sorry but the reason the install is so much is that the splitters chorus use(who i work for) cost us around $90 (dont quote me on price) and if you had each in your hand you can tell straight away the quality, im pretty sure the $20 ones are just filters in a black box

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  Reply # 648777 30-Jun-2012 20:47 Send private message

Ramboss:

Sorry but the reason the install is so much is that the splitters chorus use(who i work for) cost us around $90 (dont quote me on price) and if you had each in your hand you can tell straight away the quality, im pretty sure the $20 ones are just filters in a black box


Yeah right.

Trade price for a telepermitted master filter for DSL is <$30.

Labour and travel are the major part of of the price of getting Chorus or a tradesman install one.

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  Reply # 648779 30-Jun-2012 20:52 Send private message

Ragnor:
Ramboss:

Sorry but the reason the install is so much is that the splitters chorus use(who i work for) cost us around $90 (dont quote me on price) and if you had each in your hand you can tell straight away the quality, im pretty sure the $20 ones are just filters in a black box


Yeah right.

Trade price for a telepermitted master filter for DSL is <$30.

Labour and travel are the major part of of the price of getting Chorus or a tradesman install one.


Believe what you will, just know you only get what you pay for. And you are right trademe goods quality is much better than an electrical wholesaler

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  Reply # 648781 30-Jun-2012 20:58 One person supports this post Send private message

You realise I said trade price meaning as in electrical wholesalers...



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  Reply # 648783 30-Jun-2012 21:00 Send private message

Jaxson: Who would take one of these out, even if you weren't aware of it's use/purpose yourself?
If it was faulty, just removing it wasn't the solution, it should have been replaced with a working one.


The chorus technician took it out for us because none of the phone jacks would connect to the internet due to the filter and the only plug for internet connection was inside the box on the garage wall where a powerplug is nowhere to be seem for several meters......

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  Reply # 648790 30-Jun-2012 21:08 One person supports this post Send private message

I find this amusing, but really Chorus via Telepermit test all the filters on the market and they are required to pass the respective spec's to gain a Telepermit sticker.

Some are not back filled with epoxy, hence feel light, this does not effect performance, but I understand most of those supplies now are filled to meet moisture ingress requirements.

Also the current wholesale price on filters is around $16, this includes the very same ones supplies to rocpac etc, who supply downers/transfield etc so if your charging $90 its good business I guess.

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  Reply # 648791 30-Jun-2012 21:09 Send private message

sorry i didnt just skimmed your post and assumed 

but i have had a $20 one and one of our ones (which i just order dont know the price of) side by side and there IS a big difference. But by all means feel free to use what ever you want. 

yes the cheap feeling one will work but then so do filters, so just use them

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  Reply # 648834 30-Jun-2012 23:42 Send private message

Depends who you buy your stuff from on trademe I bought a master filter from an electrical trades person for $40 shipped, got a chorus guy to install whilst he was here doing something else and I had a look and compared it to the ones he had on him they were the same thing... So not everything on trademe is crap you just gotta know what your looking for and thanks to the guys in here I did have a fare idea of what it was that I needed even the chorus guy said it was a good one and cheaper than he could do it for




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  Reply # 649011 1-Jul-2012 13:03 Send private message

I walked up to a Chorus tech working on a roadside cabinet, he supplied and installed a master splitter for $80 cash. I would suggest just approaching one of them for a cash job.

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  Reply # 649033 1-Jul-2012 13:41 Send private message

plo009:
Jaxson: Who would take one of these out, even if you weren't aware of it's use/purpose yourself?
If it was faulty, just removing it wasn't the solution, it should have been replaced with a working one.


The chorus technician took it out for us because none of the phone jacks would connect to the internet due to the filter and the only plug for internet connection was inside the box on the garage wall where a powerplug is nowhere to be seem for several meters......


Did he give it back to you then?

Long term the solution in this case should have been to run a new cable from the existing splitter to your preferred modem outlet position.

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  Reply # 649092 1-Jul-2012 15:36 Send private message

I would say that if you asked the choruis tech to remove the filter then hes entitled to do that, but ethically should have left it and explained who can get it reinstalled. It was probably an old filter so perhaps he didn't think it was worth using again.

The big problem is that it doesn't sound like your place has ethernet wiring, so you would have to decide where to put your computers as well as where to put the modem, then decide if its worth installing new cables and outlets for everything. I can send you some gel crimps if you need but perhaps better to install them with pliers - not a hammer. Make sure both wires go all the way in when you crimp each one, and note down what colour connects to what before you cut anything.




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  Reply # 649216 1-Jul-2012 20:25 Send private message

webwat: I would say that if you asked the choruis tech to remove the filter then hes entitled to do that, but ethically should have left it and explained who can get it reinstalled. It was probably an old filter so perhaps he didn't think it was worth using again.


My understanding from what the told me was hes gonna bypass the filter instead of removing it totally, maybe i misunderstood him.

The main reason i'm annoyed is because he didn't tell me why i should have kept the filter for a better connection.\, he only told me that with the filter on he can only give me internet connection via one phone jack while bypassing it i can connect to the internet via any jack in the house if i change my mind or move things around in the house.

 The big problem is that it doesn't sound like your place has ethernet wiring, so you would have to decide where to put your computers as well as where to put the modem, then decide if its worth installing new cables and outlets for everything. I can send you some gel crimps if you need but perhaps better to install them with pliers - not a hammer. Make sure both wires go all the way in when you crimp each one, and note down what colour connects to what before you cut anything.


That's greatly appreciated, i'm still thinking of i should try DIY or find a nearby chorus tech.
I thought the only wiring i need to do is inside the phone box on the garage?  

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  Reply # 649217 1-Jul-2012 20:28 Send private message

Ramboss:
Niel: $23 from PB Tech. You need to tick the box on the right to get the GST inclusive price. Anyway, cheap.

If you see a Chorus van in your neighbourhood, ask the guy if he is interested in a simple cash job. It really does not take that long to do.

To get it done officially is a standard install which I believe is in the order of $150 to $200. No one cares if it is done officially or not, as long as the splitter is Telepermit approved and you have standard phone or solid core network cable.

Phone wiring is just 2 wires with low voltage on it (or a few pairs of which usually only 1 pair is used). The gel filled cable joiners can be purchased from Jaycar for relatively cheap, or maybe Dick Smith (expensive if still available). You insert 2 wires into the gel cavities and whack it with a hammer to drive a blade through the insulation to make the connection. Just keep the correct polarity.


Sorry but the reason the install is so much is that the splitters chorus use(who i work for) cost us around $90 (dont quote me on price) and if you had each in your hand you can tell straight away the quality, im pretty sure the $20 ones are just filters in a black box


Sorry but we buy off Roc Pac and they are about $20. And of course they are just a filter in a black box with a bit of water proofing. What do you think our 'special' chorus ones are?
And it is around the $200 mark because there needs to be a standard fee regardless of ease of install. Could be a 20 minute job could be a two hour job.
Privately, $150 gives the installer around an hours labour plus a bit for materials.

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  Reply # 649219 1-Jul-2012 20:32 Send private message

plo009: I thought the only wiring i need to do is inside the phone box on the garage? ?


You may be able to get away with using the second pair in the cabling that runs through your house. First pair is through the filter for the phones in the house, second pair bypasses the filter for your broadband. You'll likely need to connect up the second pair inside each jackpoint around the house, up to where you'd like to place your modem, where you can instead install another jackpoint, connecting that second pair to it.





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  Reply # 649225 1-Jul-2012 20:41 Send private message

 You may be able to get away with using the second pair in the cabling that runs through your house. First pair is through the filter for the phones in the house, second pair bypasses the filter for your broadband. You'll likely need to connect up the second pair inside each jackpoint around the house, up to where you'd like to place your modem, where you can instead install another jackpoint, connecting that second pair to it.


Sorry i'm a bit confused, so put simply, first option can be done inside the phone box while installing another jackpoint requires wiring in the house which is more complicated an expensive?

If i recall correctly, the initial setup by the original owner was they had a master splitter in the phone box with a grey/white box connected to it which had a phone jack plug for the modem to plug in, meaning the modem can only be connected from the phone box in the garage? I didn't know much about the use of the filter earlier so the only thing that came to mind was its really annoying having the modem and router in the garage where a power plug is at least 5 meters away from the phone box.

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