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  Reply # 649231 1-Jul-2012 20:51 Send private message

plo009: Sorry i'm a bit confused, so put simply, first option can be done inside the phone box while installing another jackpoint requires wiring in the house which is more complicated an expensive?


The existing cabling you have that makes its way around the house from the garage is likely to be the standard 2-pair stuff used domestically. I forget its name sorry, I'm not a telco.

Anyway, only one pair is used traditionally for your phone - the second is there if you ever needed a second line installed, in which case you can tap off that second pair at any point to get a jack for your second line (say, a fax line on the very end of the chain in your office for example).

That second pair though, may not be connected through your jackpoints - often, it's just wrapped around the incoming/outgoing cable insulation inside the jack. you'd just need to join them together with the aforementioned gelcap joiners, then whereever you wanted to have a jack for your broadband, instead of joining, you'll just run the incoming pair from the previous jackpoint to the back of the BT jack.

To do this, inside the box in the garage, you'd connect this second pair in the outgoing internal wiring to the appropriate pair on the filter. The other pair would connect to the first pair in the internal wiring, and service the jacks you'd use for phones.




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  Reply # 649238 1-Jul-2012 21:02 Send private message

Holy cupcakes. Don't pay that much for the gel connectors.

We get them for something like 7c each. I'll post you some if you want.



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  Reply # 649239 1-Jul-2012 21:04 Send private message

Pock: Holy cupcakes. Don't pay that much for the gel connectors.

We get them for something like 7c each. I'll post you some if you want.


Cheers mate, i'll contact you if i need any. More confused about how to set the thing up right now.

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  Reply # 649277 1-Jul-2012 22:01 Send private message

@plo009
As mentioned, I can help with this if you don't want to take the DIY track.
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  Reply # 650742 4-Jul-2012 16:26 Send private message

I had a near exact same experience I believe.
But I am renting and don't know it's worth any hassle for an uncertain gain (feel free to convince me though).

After signing me up for a new account (instead of moving my existing one) missed connection dates and vodafone vs chorus finger pointing and lack of communication, I finally had a technician turn up late one afternoon and discover a filter which he offered to remove/disconnect (I will check if it's still there when I get home).
I agreed for the same reason: not understanding any reason to have the modem able to be plugged into only one jack.
I am on naked internet too, so filtering for phones is not an issue.

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  Reply # 651170 5-Jul-2012 11:09 Send private message

groynk: I had a near exact same experience I believe.
But I am renting and don't know it's worth any hassle for an uncertain gain (feel free to convince me though).

After signing me up for a new account (instead of moving my existing one) missed connection dates and vodafone vs chorus finger pointing and lack of communication, I finally had a technician turn up late one afternoon and discover a filter which he offered to remove/disconnect (I will check if it's still there when I get home).
I agreed for the same reason: not understanding any reason to have the modem able to be plugged into only one jack.
I am on naked internet too, so filtering for phones is not an issue.


Checked for splitter, yes it is gone, think he asked and I would have agreed thinking it was old junk or he could use better than me.
I have the modem/router plugged into a filter, I guess as an adapter from rectangular to square (RJ45?) plug shape... 
What advantage for what investment could I get? (On naked ADSL2+, with only a voip phone in the vodafone bb complete router)

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  Reply # 651212 5-Jul-2012 12:19 Send private message

Hi, if you are on a naked line then a filter wont help, but what will help is that the line to the modem is direct from the demarc and does not split or tap off to anything else other than the modem.

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  Reply # 651219 5-Jul-2012 12:42 Send private message

cyril7: Hi, if you are on a naked line then a filter wont help, but what will help is that the line to the modem is direct from the demarc and does not split or tap off to anything else other than the modem.

Cyril


Exactly.  With Naked, a filter will help, but isolating the master feed to a single socket will help just as much (possibly more).

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  Reply # 651265 5-Jul-2012 13:25 Send private message

cyril7: Hi, if you are on a naked line then a filter wont help, but what will help is that the line to the modem is direct from the demarc and does not split or tap off to anything else other than the modem.

Cyril


Had to google demarc, in noob terms, sounds like the point the street lines connect to house wiring?

The house has three jack points and as mentioned previously no splitter now. Does having nothing plugged into the other two jack points save me?

Thanks for the explanations :)

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  Reply # 651280 5-Jul-2012 13:30 Send private message

having the wiring still connected to the line will still mean that echos from the unterminated lines will effect DSL performance, so either disconnect the unwanted ones so only one outlet is connect to the line, or install a filter to isolate these echos.

And to anticipate your next question, putting inline filters on each of these extra un connected lines will not stop these echos, only a master filter or totally disconnecting those lines will fix it.

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  Reply # 651287 5-Jul-2012 13:36 Send private message

groynk: 
The house has three jack points and as mentioned previously no splitter now. Does having nothing plugged into the other two jack points save me? 


No, not really.
Half the job of the install is to provide a direct line from the 'street' to the modem.  The master splitter essentially isolates this direct line from all the rest of the cabling in the house. Un-terminated legs produce internal reflections that can interfere with the signal. As alluded to above, you would do better to disconnect the cables to the empty jackpoints altogether, as the signal then can't head up and back down them that way.

Same goes for TV aerial distribution, whereby you should disconnect any unused leads from a central splitter, reconnecting them only when actually needed.  Or at least connect with dummy loads.  It all gets into a radio frequency interference area that is often overlooked when talking about performance.

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  Reply # 651306 5-Jul-2012 14:15 Send private message

Thanks, seems clear to me now.
I'll have a poke about and see if I think I am confident in my ability to disconnect the unused lines, assuming I can locate the demarc point...

Don't get me started on aerial wiring in there, oops you have sorry, theres splitters and holes in closet walls and dead wires, even an aerial in the roof space which may or may not be the one that is connected... sky is on one wall and freeview on the other!
Will all be another tenant's problem one day though I thinks...

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  Reply # 651590 5-Jul-2012 23:13 Send private message

Had a look.
Took a Photo:
 
sorry about the poor light

bit of a mess in there, and you can see where the splitter used to be on the wall 

Wish I'd got the chorus guy to explain it to me at the time, but I felt sorry for him because he looked over worked and under paid, turning up supposedly well after his knock off time with more people to visit still. Also didn't help that I was busy when he turned up and just wanted to get internet after 2 weeks of connection shenanigans.

I can see he's just joined the line that was previously split off for a far away jack, onto the line going into this master jack, which I think means I have two (or no) master Jacks, while another nearby jack piggy backs on this one with outgoing line coming out of it.

Like this, if you can follow:

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So... do I just go snippity snip?
Stick with my current setup, BT(?) plug to rj45 plug inline filter? (don't break what don't need fixin)
Or ask the landlord to get it sorted out properly? (kinda CBF)

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  Reply # 651637 6-Jul-2012 07:36 Send private message

Hi, so you have this socket and two others, which is the modem to go at. It is acceptable as this is the master socket that this socket remains is place and one of the others is removed if not wanted, you then have a single transmission line, but if the modem is to go here at the master socket then the others have to be removed.

You can obviously just get a BT - RJ11 line cord to save using the filter as an adaptor, but to use a filter in such a manner will not effect performance in an material way, removing the unwanted runs/sockets will.

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  Reply # 651677 6-Jul-2012 09:31 Send private message

Just pull off all the internal cable from the jack and crimp on the red/white flying leads off that black twin. That is your incoming so you can't get better than that

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