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  Reply # 991834 21-Feb-2014 14:31 2 people support this post Send private message

Also - worst name ever.

Acid test - how would you use it in conversation?

1. I watched Episode 3 of Amazing Bananas on Netflix.

Fine - 2 syllables, short, NO VERBs, cannot be easily confused with something else.

2. I watched Episode 3 of Amazing Bananas on ShowmeTV.

Awful - 4 syllables, too long, imperative verb and has TV in the title UGH.



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  Reply # 991858 21-Feb-2014 15:13 Send private message

jarledb: The model I know from Norway is that you have to be connected to the ISP. They use multicast and that does not work over the internet. They require you to have a VDSL connection to deliver the TV service.

ShowmeTV does not require you to have Spark ISP service.

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  Reply # 991866 21-Feb-2014 15:32 One person supports this post Send private message

wasabi2k: Also - worst name ever.

Acid test - how would you use it in conversation?

1. I watched Episode 3 of Amazing Bananas on Netflix.

Fine - 2 syllables, short, NO VERBs, cannot be easily confused with something else.

2. I watched Episode 3 of Amazing Bananas on ShowmeTV.

Awful - 4 syllables, too long, imperative verb and has TV in the title UGH.




the difference in typing or saying either Netflix or ShowmeTV must be about 0.0001 of a second, that is huge. I just cannot cope with it 




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  Reply # 991870 21-Feb-2014 15:41 Send private message

Wasn't "show me" a tagline for tv2 last season? I seem to recall the Mentalist chap and various other actors saying "show me xxx" on their promo spots.

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  Reply # 991882 21-Feb-2014 16:28 Send private message

I see ShowmeTV's expression of interest website is up   Showmetv




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  Reply # 991888 21-Feb-2014 16:49 Send private message

KiwiNZ:
wasabi2k: Also - worst name ever.

Acid test - how would you use it in conversation?

1. I watched Episode 3 of Amazing Bananas on Netflix.

Fine - 2 syllables, short, NO VERBs, cannot be easily confused with something else.

2. I watched Episode 3 of Amazing Bananas on ShowmeTV.

Awful - 4 syllables, too long, imperative verb and has TV in the title UGH.




the difference in typing or saying either Netflix or ShowmeTV must be about 0.0001 of a second, that is huge. I just cannot cope with it 


net-flix

show-me-tee-vee

which one sounds stupid in conversation?

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  Reply # 991942 21-Feb-2014 19:17 Send private message

turb:
Roll on anouncements with some meaningful detail, I say...


Hopefully before this thread times out...I have a feeling I started it too soon!


Telecom ditched their Sky partnership but they said it was not the end... Bets should open soon to "Telecom is partnering with Sky TV to deliver Sky Go content to its customers" and keep status quo.

That is to say "crap will continue".





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  Reply # 991960 21-Feb-2014 19:37 Send private message

jonathan18: Can't help you there, but I have a question of my own: in other parts of the world, when ISPs begin delivering content such as internet-delivered video what is the typical model? Is access to it typically limited to customers that use that ISP for internet, or open to everyone to purchase?

Given someone on the Spark rebranding thread has stated Netflix has never partnered with an ISP to deliver its service, and that Telecom has announced the "ShowmeTV" brand, I would very much doubt it's got linkages to to Netflix.


Found the answer to my own question in the following article:

"Pirie said ShowmeTV would be available to non-Telecom as well as Telecom customers."

Have to agree re the stupidity of the name - "Spark" doesn't really bother me either way, but I worry that supposed re-branding professionals would have given "ShowmeTV" the green light.

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  Reply # 991963 21-Feb-2014 19:47 One person supports this post Send private message

They need a delivery platform and some content.

For a delivery platform, they could do worse than to resurrect TiVo (which they were involved with before), setting up local support and giving them an attractive Freeview PVR (which people will buy) and that they can also push content to. Bundle the home networking package for free, zero rate the data for subscribers, and sell it for near cost in partnership with a major retailer to try and quickly build an install base. Given Hybrid's straits, they could probably pick up the NZ operation/rights very cheaply.

They also need to quickly get an app onto major brands of media players and TVs - as well as Android and iOS.

Then they need content quickly. Very quickly. Even if they lose money for the first couple of years while they build their base. If I was in their shoes I would look at:

1. Buying Quickflix cheaply, to get a quickish infusion of older content. Already, streamable to TiVo as per above, so they could hit the ground running.

2. Trouble is Quickflix's content range is, to say the least, slender. They also need to use their comparatively deep pockets to bulk out this offering very quickly. Including aggressively bidding for a few Game of Thrones type series that people know about and want to see - as a loss leader. Just take the hit to build brand and subscribers.

3. Grab content that Sky doesn't have rights to, isn't bidding for, and for which their is evidently a demand. I remember reading some years ago that up to half the income of some DVD stores was from the the more, emmm, "adult" fare. The should hoover up the rights to a lot of that material as cheaply as they can (Sky and the networks won't be competing for it) and launch an R18 Adult Channel. Distasteful? Yes. But it will give them a lot of evidently in demand content cheaply, and tons of free publicity as some of the more shrill lobby groups wind themselves up into a lather.

4. Look at targeting some of the sports content Sky doesn't have and for which their may be a demand. Club rugby? Hell, and university and top-level secondary school sport might work. Test it with an audience.

But whatever they do they need to be prepared to bleed financially for a couple of years to get it off the ground, and they have to move quickly.

My 2 cents.....

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  Reply # 991971 21-Feb-2014 20:00 Send private message

JimmyH: For a delivery platform, they could do worse than to resurrect TiVo (which they were involved with before), setting up local support and giving them an attractive Freeview PVR (which people will buy) and that they can also push content to.

I saw a quote from Simon Moutter this morning where he referred to set-box boxes as "dinosaurs". Don't hold your breath for a Tivo relaunch.

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  Reply # 991976 21-Feb-2014 20:11 Send private message

Behodar: 
ShowmeTV does not require you to have Spark ISP service.


That sounds very strange. Unless they are going to partner with other ISPs.

Edit: Removed the source question.

Ahh, I see the source now (Stuff.co.nz article). Sounds interesting but somewhat an odd move to not try to strengthen Spark's own ISP offerings by making it a Spark only service. Not that I am complaining, I am on Snap and have no want to change to another ISP no matter what their extra services, so to me it is sweet as.




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  Reply # 992148 22-Feb-2014 06:26 Send private message

Interesting times indeed. For me personally it's full blown Netflix / Hulu or ShowMeTV can forget it. Folks who have Netflix up and running are just not going to take a step backwards and trade Netflix for awful Quickflix type content on ShowmeTV.

The number people who haven't gone down the Netflix route is decreasing all the time, myself and one other had it set up in my office a while ago and now practically the whole office has it, word of mouth on how good Netflix is coupled with how easy it is to set up now are going to make it almost impossible for ShowmeTV to be a success unless they have some stellar content at launch for a decent price. I also think they should have called it SparkTV to keep consistency and avoid consumer confusion but that's just my opinion.

Hopefully their hardware will broadcast regular free view channels, I live in an area where I need a free view box, I'd like to get rid of the big ugly free view box and stream any regular channels I wanted to.

Like I say though, very interesting times for sure.

But "Spark" though........Really?



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  Reply # 992183 22-Feb-2014 09:10 Send private message

PoHq: Interesting times indeed. For me personally it's full blown Netflix / Hulu or ShowMeTV can forget it. Folks who have Netflix up and running are just not going to take a step backwards and trade Netflix for awful Quickflix type content on ShowmeTV.

The number people who haven't gone down the Netflix route is decreasing all the time, myself and one other had it set up in my office a while ago and now practically the whole office has it, word of mouth on how good Netflix is coupled with how easy it is to set up now are going to make it almost impossible for ShowmeTV to be a success unless they have some stellar content at launch for a decent price. I also think they should have called it SparkTV to keep consistency and avoid consumer confusion but that's just my opinion.

Hopefully their hardware will broadcast regular free view channels, I live in an area where I need a free view box, I'd like to get rid of the big ugly free view box and stream any regular channels I wanted to.

Like I say though, very interesting times for sure.

But "Spark" though........Really?




I don't know why people think showmetv is going to have quickflix type content, no examples have been given of content.

This whole idea that content isn't available is a big myth IMO, with the exception of sports rights, and a few things like GoT (which netflix doesn't have either!) which you need to wait for the long term deal to come up on.


The difference between Quickflix and telecom is that Quickflix had no money to buy content, and telecom does.


(Also, I think it funny that a few weeks ago people were saying "if only a Netflix type service was available locally we would buy it", but now it looks like there might be one, so many have already decided its crap before knowing anything about it)

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  Reply # 992191 22-Feb-2014 09:29 Send private message

So what do you want from ShowmeTV?

Personally all the content from HBO / Showtime / AMC / BBC would probably cover most of my watching.

If they are to offer streamed "channels" then again the list above would provide me most coverage.

A decent archive of movies, current and classics

A range of child friendly content.




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  Reply # 992195 22-Feb-2014 09:35 Send private message

NonprayingMantis: (Also, I think it funny that a few weeks ago people were saying "if only a Netflix type service was available locally we would buy it", but now it looks like there might be one, so many have already decided its crap before knowing anything about it)

A Netflix/Hulu-type service would be fantastic, but unfortunately I don't have high hopes at launch.

ShowmeTV will have 5,000 hours of content across all genres when it launches, Telecom says. That compares to the 60,000 films, television programmes, documentaries and sporting titles held by ASX-listed Quickflix, and is dwarfed by the content on California-based Netflix.

However:

Mr Moutter used the phrase that Telecom wants to create "the Netflix of New Zealand", raising the prospect of all-you-can-eat viewing for a set low cost per month.

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