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  Reply # 716897 14-Nov-2012 10:39 Send private message

NonprayingMantis: 

It does seem a catch 22 situation for them for their subscription service – can’t get more content until they have the customers to pay for it. Can’t get the customers because the content isn’t great.  What they need is some rich guy (Kim dotcom?? hahah) to come in and give them a load of money so they can buy the TV shows etc that I like to watch on Netflix at the moment.



It is a very good point. What they need is investors who are willing to put some money behind the project and take a risk. Considering the direction the rest of the world is moving in it isn't even really that big a risk.

Gee, if only there was a big industry with a lot of money which is struggling to develop a distribution channel which will allow them to generate an income stream from the content they produce because technological advances are making their old distribution channels obsolete. 

Oh... yeah... well... 




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  Reply # 716974 14-Nov-2012 11:47 Send private message

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NonprayingMantis: 

It does seem a catch 22 situation for them for their subscription service – can’t get more content until they have the customers to pay for it. Can’t get the customers because the content isn’t great.  What they need is some rich guy (Kim dotcom?? hahah) to come in and give them a load of money so they can buy the TV shows etc that I like to watch on Netflix at the moment.



It is a very good point. What they need is investors who are willing to put some money behind the project and take a risk. Considering the direction the rest of the world is moving in it isn't even really that big a risk.

Gee, if only there was a big industry with a lot of money which is struggling to develop a distribution channel which will allow them to generate an income stream from the content they produce because technological advances are making their old distribution channels obsolete. 

Oh... yeah... well... 


Well they already have HBO as an investor and that has, so far, resulted in not much content in australia and precisely nothing in NZ.

 

Someone like TVNZ or Mediaworks might be good since they already own content rights in NZ for various things.  Their ondemand platforms are terrible IMO after several years of development (apart from TVNZ rubbish PS3 app they are still only browser based after several years – ridiculous when in much less time Quickflix has launched on multiple smart TVs, PS3, Xbox, ipad, Samsung tablets, iphone etc)

If they could put their stuff on Quickflix it would bulk out the quickflix library a lot as well as provide TVNZ/Mediaworks some much needed revenue stream for their content.  If igloo is turning into the giant fail that it seems to be then it seems like this might be a better option for them. (maybe third time’s the charm for TVNZ after TiVo and Igloo massive fails :D  )

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  Reply # 716979 14-Nov-2012 11:55 Send private message

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Someone like TVNZ or Mediaworks might be good since they already own content rights in NZ for various things.  Their ondemand platforms are terrible IMO after several years of development (apart from TVNZ rubbish PS3 app they are still only browser based after several years – ridiculous when in much less time Quickflix has launched on multiple smart TVs, PS3, Xbox, ipad, Samsung tablets, iphone etc)
If they could put their stuff on Quickflix it would bulk out the quickflix library a lot as well as provide TVNZ/Mediaworks some much needed revenue stream for their content.  If igloo is turning into the giant fail that it seems to be then it seems like this might be a better option for them. (maybe third time’s the charm for TVNZ after TiVo and Igloo massive fails :D  )


It would not help what Quickflix are lacking is ip transmission rights. I remember some time ago Sky saying that they have been paying for ip streaming rights on all their content for some time even though they did not have any streaming video in New Zealand at that stage.
Now it is starting to pay off. If SKY sign with any production company they get IP rights as well and that stops anyone else in NZ from using it until SKY's rights expire
What might help Quickflix is I understand that Lachlan Murdoch has takes a stake in Quickflix with his own private investment company.
Which means that Murdoch money is involved and at some stage in the future they will try to acquire a larger stake in Quickflix and then they may share ip contecnt with them from SKY's library
Its interesting to note that Quickflix is sitting on the same CDN as Sky






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  Reply # 716989 14-Nov-2012 12:07 Send private message

NonprayingMantis: 

Well they already have HBO as an investor and that has, so far, resulted in not much content in australia and precisely nothing in NZ.

Someone like TVNZ or Mediaworks might be good since they already own content rights in NZ for various things.  Their ondemand platforms are terrible IMO after several years of development (apart from TVNZ rubbish PS3 app they are still only browser based after several years – ridiculous when in much less time Quickflix has launched on multiple smart TVs, PS3, Xbox, ipad, Samsung tablets, iphone etc)

If they could put their stuff on Quickflix it would bulk out the quickflix library a lot as well as provide TVNZ/Mediaworks some much needed revenue stream for their content.  If igloo is turning into the giant fail that it seems to be then it seems like this might be a better option for them. (maybe third time’s the charm for TVNZ after TiVo and Igloo massive fails :D  )


I agree with everything you say above. 

I think the problem is that the traditional players TVNZ, TV3, SKY et al don't want us watching stuff online. They want us watching stuff live on TV and paying extra attention to the ads. In other words the problem is they are living in the late 1980's early 1900's. I truly believe they keep their online offerings rubbish so we don't see it as a replacement. 

I wonder if the place where the needed QuickFlix capitalisation will come from might be the new Telstrodaphone (got to call it something, right?). I'd be happy to pay an extra $20 or so a month, about $5 more than QuickFlix charges, to have this on my T-Box. Or Telecom might see this as a way to get around the T-Box, maybe something like a TiVo but with this functionality?   




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  Reply # 717002 14-Nov-2012 12:25 Send private message

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It would not help what Quickflix are lacking is ip transmission rights. I remember some time ago Sky saying that they have been paying for ip streaming rights on all their content for some time even though they did not have any streaming video in New Zealand at that stage.




Do you think there is a case to be made that a 'use it or lose it' law for ip streaming rights as a way to combat piracy? 

You have, say a year, to offer the content you just bought the streaming rights for on a streaming service. Let's be really mean and say the service must be offered in a stand alone way. You can offer it as part of a bundle, like your satellite TV service or a broadband connection, but you cannot only offer it as part of the bundle. 

All in the name of suppressing piracy, nothing to do with breaking content monopolies which we know don't exist or trying to improve access to content which we know is 'world class'. 




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  Reply # 717003 14-Nov-2012 12:28 Send private message

crackrdbycracku:
NonprayingMantis: 

Well they already have HBO as an investor and that has, so far, resulted in not much content in australia and precisely nothing in NZ.

Someone like TVNZ or Mediaworks might be good since they already own content rights in NZ for various things.  Their ondemand platforms are terrible IMO after several years of development (apart from TVNZ rubbish PS3 app they are still only browser based after several years – ridiculous when in much less time Quickflix has launched on multiple smart TVs, PS3, Xbox, ipad, Samsung tablets, iphone etc)

If they could put their stuff on Quickflix it would bulk out the quickflix library a lot as well as provide TVNZ/Mediaworks some much needed revenue stream for their content.  If igloo is turning into the giant fail that it seems to be then it seems like this might be a better option for them. (maybe third time’s the charm for TVNZ after TiVo and Igloo massive fails :D  )


I agree with everything you say above. 

I think the problem is that the traditional players TVNZ, TV3, SKY et al don't want us watching stuff online. They want us watching stuff live on TV and paying extra attention to the ads. In other words the problem is they are living in the late 1980's early 1900's. I truly believe they keep their online offerings rubbish so we don't see it as a replacement. 

I don’t see why it would be any different watching online vs live provided the ad revenues are the same per view. (arguably they could be higher because online ads can be better targetted than live TV ads)

Not to mention they could get a real revenue stream by bundling their content into the quickflix subscription payment rather than relying on ads alone





I wonder if the place where the needed QuickFlix capitalisation will come from might be the new Telstrodaphone (got to call it something, right?). I'd be happy to pay an extra $20 or so a month, about $5 more than QuickFlix charges, to have this on my T-Box. Or Telecom might see this as a way to get around the T-Box, maybe something like a TiVo but with this functionality?   


Maybe.  Quite a few ISPs have said they are working on some kind of TV service.  If they want to drive UFB uptake that is the kind of thing that needs to get off the ground.  Who knows, maybe the government or crown fibre holdings could chip in a few mill to help UFB?  They know that online content across multiple screens in the house is critical for UFB uptake and quickflix are pretty much the only game in town right now when it comes to that.

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  Reply # 717006 14-Nov-2012 12:32 Send private message

I tried the service again for another month and basically nothing had changed since the last time. Cancelled again, that interface on the PS3 is terrible and the selection is still laughable. I watched 2 movies and the quality was terrible on both of them.

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  Reply # 717008 14-Nov-2012 12:37 Send private message

mattRSK: I tried the service again for another month and basically nothing had changed since the last time. Cancelled again, that interface on the PS3 is terrible and the selection is still laughable. I watched 2 movies and the quality was terrible on both of them.


PS3 quickflix is not in full HD (Why I don't know!). I have quickflix loaded on our Sony Bravia and PS3. The Bravia is excellent quality.

But I'm not a quickflix subscriber either. Content is king, and quickflix just does not have decent content.

In order for quickflix to succeed they need to make the application available to everyone like netflix did. Maybe quickflix should launch there own little set top box, something simular to a Roku? Then update the content and you have a winning product.

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  Reply # 717009 14-Nov-2012 12:42 Send private message

NonprayingMantis: 
I don’t see why it would be any different watching online vs live provided the ad revenues are the same per view. (arguably they could be higher because online ads can be better targetted than live TV ads)

Not to mention they could get a real revenue stream by bundling their content into the quickflix subscription payment rather than relying on ads alone



It pains me to say this but the problem is traditional media see 'different', which it is, being the same as 'bad', don't it isn't. As you point out the money is the same, but it isn't about the money. It is about the complete inability to recognise the world has moved on.  I really can't believe this is even still part of the discussion, however it is.

The music industry woke up one morning and realised Apple ate their lunch and was getting set to sell  the scraps from dinner on iTunes at a price set by Apple with a cut determined by Apple going back to the music industry if they were good.

Amazingly, the movie industry seems to have learned nothing and has been making all the same mistakes. I wonder who will end up selling their industry back to them? My money is on Amazon or Google. 

NonprayingMantis: 

Maybe.  Quite a few ISPs have said they are working on some kind of TV service.  If they want to drive UFB uptake that is the kind of thing that needs to get off the ground.  Who knows, maybe the government or crown fibre holdings could chip in a few mill to help UFB?  They know that online content across multiple screens in the house is critical for UFB uptake and quickflix are pretty much the only game in town right now when it comes to that.


I hope so, hard to see a reason I would want the UFB as a consumer otherwise. 




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  Reply # 717039 14-Nov-2012 14:01 Send private message

just had a look at the Xbox app.  Couldnt download it as it says my Xbox Live Gold has expired and need to renew it.  So to have the quickflix app I will have to renew my gold account




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  Reply # 717049 14-Nov-2012 14:15 Send private message

I can confirm that watching via Bravia TV is fine. There are now several TV sets that allow Quickflix to work and I think that is the way to go.
Also someone mentioned watching on demand but on demand only offers TV content not movies. We do not want commercials on Quickflix as we are already paying for the service.
I think that government should legislate that one service can not restrict other services from using content. Services should not have content for no more than a few months and then it should be open to the market. But dont hold your breath for the current regime to move against Sky. I live inhope that when labour next get in Government that they will have a proper Broadcasting policy. At the very least we should have much more control over radio where two companies have almost the entire Radio  in NZ. Something along the lines of only allowing a company to have one network would be a good start. Might encourage more local radio stations. Likewise with TV ever woundered why Auckland is the only  populous area of NZ that does not have a local TV station.
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  Reply # 717267 14-Nov-2012 17:46 Send private message

NonprayingMantis:

Someone like TVNZ or Mediaworks might be good since they already own content rights in NZ for various things.  Their ondemand platforms are terrible IMO after several years of development (apart from TVNZ rubbish PS3 app they are still only browser based after several years – ridiculous when in much less time Quickflix has launched on multiple smart TVs, PS3, Xbox, ipad, Samsung tablets, iphone etc) 


It's not an "apart from" - the TVNZ OnDemand item in XMB is merely a browser link to http://tvnz.co.nz/ondemand/xl which is a giant Flash applet.

Gilco2: just had a look at the Xbox app.  Couldnt download it as it says my Xbox Live Gold has expired and need to renew it.  So to have the quickflix app I will have to renew my gold account


That's a Microsoft thing not a Quickflix thing.  I'm sure they'd like nothing more than for you to be able to have QuickFlix without XBL Gold, but Microsoft won't allow it.

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  Reply # 717287 14-Nov-2012 18:29 Send private message

Microsoft have allowed BBC iPlayer and Aus ABC iVEW to be available on Xbox without  xbox live gold. These are however large public broadcasters which I suspect would have been able to get Microsoft to allow this... The smaller/commercial players probably not so much...

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  Reply # 717306 14-Nov-2012 18:54 Send private message

icogill: Microsoft have allowed BBC iPlayer and Aus ABC iVEW to be available on Xbox without  xbox live gold. These are however large public broadcasters which I suspect would have been able to get Microsoft to allow this... The smaller/commercial players probably not so much...


I think it is fair enough for MS to want to clip the ticket. 

It is also fair enough for me to use app on my TV or Blu-Ray player if they are supported rather than my Xbox. 

If MS was adding value for my specifically by using my Xbox and thereby needing an Xbox live sub than I would do it. 

These ways to generate revenue are the future. 




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  Reply # 717315 14-Nov-2012 19:02 Send private message

I was a bit surprised that a gold sub is required, I did think that this would be more of an extension to the Media Center rather than a part of the games-centric Live Gold. I've had a gold sub for a lot of years, and only gave it up when the kids left home and stopped playing games. I didn't mind paying for the use of MS's servers, but not for services which don't use their servers.

I've been hanging out for Quickflix on the Xbox, but not this way.

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