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  Reply # 831726 6-Jun-2013 17:10 Send private message

freitasm: Folks, althought it may seem at first we're talking about a modem and router device we're actually looking at a modem and gateway devices rolled into one. I think it may even head towards a digital content consumption/distribution device.

I say that because I am told by Telecom they want to explore some extra ideas they have. I will post these in a new topic tomorrow when I have their questions.



Sounds exciting, if it's done right, done cost effective, done simply, and done reliably ;)

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  Reply # 831748 6-Jun-2013 17:44 Send private message

freitasm: Folks, althought it may seem at first we're talking about a modem and router device we're actually looking at a modem and gateway devices rolled into one. I think it may even head towards a digital content consumption/distribution device.

I say that because I am told by Telecom they want to explore some extra ideas they have. I will post these in a new topic tomorrow when I have their questions.



Hence why proper storage and some sort of display port would have been a good idea, but people would rather have a wifi spectrum analyzer they will use once and find they aren't actually that interesting.

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  Reply # 831835 6-Jun-2013 20:45 Send private message

Never got the point in the wifi analyzers like in the fritz etc. Does nothing to show you how busy each network is, just that there is one present, so idle or thrashing it you have no idea which ones are best to overlap with. Just put auto as the default and be done with it.




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  Reply # 831866 6-Jun-2013 21:32 One person supports this post Send private message

How did a post that didn't follow the rules make it to the short list? 8x gigabit ports and POE are 2 separate ideas. I would be interested to know how many people voted for that idea because of the 8x gigabit ports & how many voted for it because of the POE ports?

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  Reply # 831877 6-Jun-2013 22:05 Send private message

The fact that so many of the things exists in third party firmware but with a horridly unusable interface is a great indication that they could and should be included in a router with a user interface designed by people that actually have a clue about doing a user interface. Means all the backend stuff is done and it is only needing the presentation and control work done on it.




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  Reply # 831891 6-Jun-2013 22:19 Send private message

The bit that gets me in all this is that software and product development is not trivial or quick. There's a big difference between taking an off the shelf product configuring/branding it and creating a new hardware and software product. How many iterations does it need to go through before it is really good?



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  Reply # 831894 6-Jun-2013 22:27 Send private message

greven: How did a post that didn't follow the rules make it to the short list? 8x gigabit ports and POE are 2 separate ideas. I would be interested to know how many people voted for that idea because of the 8x gigabit ports & how many voted for it because of the POE ports?


One idea: Built-in Gigabit 8 port switch

(with 4 POE ports and 4 non-POE ports).
Nit picking.



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  Reply # 831907 6-Jun-2013 23:11 Send private message

richms: The fact that so many of the things exists in third party firmware but with a horridly unusable interface is a great indication that they could and should be included in a router with a user interface designed by people that actually have a clue about doing a user interface. Means all the backend stuff is done and it is only needing the presentation and control work done on it.


Ever used Tomato with BrownLight theme (Built in)?
Can show more but heres a sample, this device's role has changed a bit
http://imgur.com/a/6Vcax

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  Reply # 831910 6-Jun-2013 23:14 One person supports this post Send private message

chevrolux:
freitasm: Folks, althought it may seem at first we're talking about a modem and router device we're actually looking at a modem and gateway devices rolled into one. I think it may even head towards a digital content consumption/distribution device.

I say that because I am told by Telecom they want to explore some extra ideas they have. I will post these in a new topic tomorrow when I have their questions.



Hence why proper storage and some sort of display port would have been a good idea, but people would rather have a wifi spectrum analyzer they will use once and find they aren't actually that interesting.


The wifi analyser wouldnt need to be on front display in my view, and might not even need to show any detail. Critical thing is that it would choose which channel has the least traffic and sufficient noise margin, preferably changing channels automatically as spectrum conditions change.

I'm also disappointed that some of the ideas were not aggregated with similar ones aimed at the same user benefit. I think the design has to be focused on user benefits instead of just one suggested way of implementing them.

8 ports was popular but other ideas mentioned less ports but specified Gigabit, and several had a PoE suggestion and I think these ideas were generally something of a continuum. Telecom may not think a built in battery is feasible, but there were other battery suggestions that also intended to keep the network live during an outage. If one isn't chosen then we still want some function that runs through a power cut, but apparently we voted that wifi is the most critical during any outage.




Qualified in business, certified in fibre, stuck in copper, have to keep going  ^_^

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  Reply # 831911 6-Jun-2013 23:18 One person supports this post Send private message

eXDee:
Ever used Tomato with BrownLight theme (Built in)?
Can show more but heres a sample, this device's role has changed a bit
http://imgur.com/a/6Vcax


Well that screenshot shows the exact problem with letting geeks do the user interface. Show that to a random person and they will have no clue what they can achieve with any of the options and the screeds of techinical information put infront of them.




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  Reply # 831917 6-Jun-2013 23:41 Send private message

^Ah that makes more sense. True.

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  Reply # 831970 7-Jun-2013 08:27 Send private message

richms:
eXDee:
Ever used Tomato with BrownLight theme (Built in)?
Can show more but heres a sample, this device's role has changed a bit
http://imgur.com/a/6Vcax


Well that screenshot shows the exact problem with letting geeks do the user interface. Show that to a random person and they will have no clue what they can achieve with any of the options and the screeds of techinical information put infront of them.


Users should be able to get to some technical info to pass on to someone in the know. This gives me the idea that perhaps the basic view should have a 'generate report' button that gives them a file (txt?) to save and pass on. This could automatically omit passwords, MAC addresses; whatever should be omitted for security/privacy (assume that info would be posted publicly).

That is if we do get basic and advanced views, which I hope for. Although I suppose you could force advanced options through a command line, might help keep the curious from breaking things (except for me).

If it goes that route I'd like the CLI guide to explain some things, not just tell me what settings I'm changing. It's been nearly 10 years since I dropped out of CCNA, and there's a lot I've forgotten, not to mention new stuff. Heck, make it a real educational experience and I'll buy the book, I've been wanting to get back into this stuff if only as a hobby. With the way people use tech changing, ipv6, and UFB coming to me sometime in the latter part of the next 10 years; this could be something good to play with.



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  Reply # 832055 7-Jun-2013 09:55 Send private message

Confirming that this is indeed a modem/gateway that eventually is to be used as a media distribution device, I got a query from the Telecom team about a few ideas that didn't make to the top 15.

Could you folks please post comments in this topic about three ideas Telecom is toying with?





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  Reply # 832094 7-Jun-2013 10:22 One person supports this post Send private message

PaulBags: 
Users should be able to get to some technical info to pass on to someone in the know. This gives me the idea that perhaps the basic view should have a 'generate report' button that gives them a file (txt?) to save and pass on. This could automatically omit passwords, MAC addresses; whatever should be omitted for security/privacy (assume that info would be posted publicly).

That is if we do get basic and advanced views, which I hope for. Although I suppose you could force advanced options through a command line, might help keep the curious from breaking things (except for me).


Except if somebody wants support for a router, 9/10x it's coz there's no internet :p

No, if you ask me they need visibility in the form of green / red lights on a main status page:

Connection to Exchange / Cabinet: Yes / No

Authenticated: Yes / No

Communicating with Gateway: Yes / No

ISP DNS working: Yes / No

Then a couple of line stats:

Sync speed: 12587kbps download / 893kbps upload

Attenuation: X / Y

Signal to Noise Ratio: X / Y

The rest, most of the time, doesn't matter! It's enough that you can ring your ISP, they can say "Please open up your browser and type in to your address bar '192.168.1.1' and read me back what you see"

Those stats don't even need to be password protected, so if a user forgets their password who cares, they can still read it back. It also makes the end-users life a lot easier, no trying to log in, no going through the convoluted interface that Thomson / Technicolor and Huawei routers use. It's right there in front of them, the basics that they need to see and nothing else to get confused by.
If they have sync but no authentication, the first light will be green, but the authenticated and subsequent ones will be red. It couldn't be easier and it'll make end-users and ISP's lives so much better.

Call that a "feature" and get it voted on. I'd far rather see something like that than half the other media suggestions that are being tossed around.

 

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  Reply # 832291 7-Jun-2013 13:37 Send private message

ChillingSilence:
PaulBags: 
Users should be able to get to some technical info to pass on to someone in the know. This gives me the idea that perhaps the basic view should have a 'generate report' button that gives them a file (txt?) to save and pass on. This could automatically omit passwords, MAC addresses; whatever should be omitted for security/privacy (assume that info would be posted publicly).

That is if we do get basic and advanced views, which I hope for. Although I suppose you could force advanced options through a command line, might help keep the curious from breaking things (except for me).


Except if somebody wants support for a router, 9/10x it's coz there's no internet :p

No, if you ask me they need visibility in the form of green / red lights on a main status page:

Connection to Exchange / Cabinet: Yes / No

Authenticated: Yes / No

Communicating with Gateway: Yes / No

ISP DNS working: Yes / No

Then a couple of line stats:

Sync speed: 12587kbps download / 893kbps upload

Attenuation: X / Y

Signal to Noise Ratio: X / Y

The rest, most of the time, doesn't matter! It's enough that you can ring your ISP, they can say "Please open up your browser and type in to your address bar '192.168.1.1' and read me back what you see"

Those stats don't even need to be password protected, so if a user forgets their password who cares, they can still read it back. It also makes the end-users life a lot easier, no trying to log in, no going through the convoluted interface that Thomson / Technicolor and Huawei routers use. It's right there in front of them, the basics that they need to see and nothing else to get confused by.
If they have sync but no authentication, the first light will be green, but the authenticated and subsequent ones will be red. It couldn't be easier and it'll make end-users and ISP's lives so much better.

Call that a "feature" and get it voted on. I'd far rather see something like that than half the other media suggestions that are being tossed around.

 


Putting all that information on the login page is a brilliant idea.  So obvious, but I never would have thought of it myself.

I would like to see the internet IP address on that status page though - I think a lot of small businesses with static IP addresses will be using this router.

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