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  Reply # 826327 27-May-2013 14:58 Send private message

By any chance did you remove my post? I just went back to split it (i didn't realise i was meant to split them to begin with) and it is gone. It was the one about usablilty, colour coding and security.

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  Reply # 826328 27-May-2013 14:58 One person supports this post Send private message

I mentioned having an HDMI port as I personally think one of the massive benefits to UFB is getting those streaming services in to NZ with some decent bandwidth. People don't want to buy a bunch of extra boxes and all sorts. Also, with the UFB installer's recommend the ONT goes close to the TV then the device should be really media orientated.

I like plambrechtsen's idea to have internal storage. A couple of 2.5" SATA slots would be magic!!



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  Reply # 826332 27-May-2013 15:02 Send private message

Laurence: By any chance did you remove my post? I just went back to split it (i didn't realise i was meant to split them to begin with) and it is gone. It was the one about usablilty, colour coding and security.


Yep. anything that had more than one idea was removed - please split it for sure (I like the colour coding and usability suggestions).

Also removed duplicated ideas - those will count as votes to the first post.





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  Reply # 826333 27-May-2013 15:04 Send private message

To all the suggestions for DLNA/USB3/ESATA/media centre capabilities.

No. Just no.

Also, those suggesting you manage the router via MyTelecom or allow Telecom to remotely manage the router: how about a little security thought?



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  Reply # 826339 27-May-2013 15:04 5 people support this post Send private message

chevrolux: I like plambrechtsen's idea to have internal storage. A couple of 2.5" SATA slots would be magic!!




(Version shown is the smaller, consumer friendly, modem/gateway)





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  Reply # 826340 27-May-2013 15:05 Send private message

michaelmurfy:
maxzzz: It would have been interesting to know who Telecom are really targeting with this new internet gateway, is it lambda customers or super geeks? Because there is no "one size fits all" perfect solution for such devices.

Knowing exactly what class of the population will be targeted with this product (residential/business) will help to get better and more realistic input from the community.


We want it to be easy for your average consumer as well as having features to please the most demanding of geeks out there. If we gave this router to your mother (for example) we'd like her to be able to use some of the features on it. Kind of like the Fritz!Box's do, they have an "Easy" mode as well as a power-user mode. There will be features in there that wouldn't appeal to your average consumer but others will like it.


Yes thank you for your response. I was asking this question precisely because to become widely adopted, a mass consumer product should have the features that responds to the needs of the general public not only to the requirements of some people with very specific needs.

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  Reply # 826352 27-May-2013 15:15 Send private message

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Laurence: By any chance did you remove my post? I just went back to split it (i didn't realise i was meant to split them to begin with) and it is gone. It was the one about usablilty, colour coding and security.


Yep. anything that had more than one idea was removed - please split it for sure (I like the colour coding and usability suggestions).

Also removed duplicated ideas - those will count as votes to the first post.



Ok,

In that case do you have a copy of the deleted post as i can't remember all the things i had Sealed.

For me usablity and security at the two big winners for a mass market device.

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  Reply # 826353 27-May-2013 15:16 One person supports this post Send private message

1080p: To all the suggestions for DLNA/USB3/ESATA/media centre capabilities.

No. Just no.

Also, those suggesting you manage the router via MyTelecom or allow Telecom to remotely manage the router: how about a little security thought?


USB and DLNA are standard features on any high end home modem router these days. IMO display output and transcoding are unrealistic in terms of the role of the device and specifications required to make that feasible, but they won't be implemented anyway.  A simple NAS with media sharing function on the other hand is very likely to be implemented and is fine imo.

Allowing them to manage the router doesn't necessarily mean that it's insecure. As i described in my proposal, it could be optional and should be implemented over a secure standard channel. You could improve customer support significantly by having such ability.

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  Reply # 826363 27-May-2013 15:25 Send private message

eXDee:
1080p: To all the suggestions for DLNA/USB3/ESATA/media centre capabilities.

No. Just no.


USB and DLNA are standard features on any high end home modem router these days. IMO display output and transcoding are unrealistic in terms of the role of the device and specifications required to make that feasible, but they won't be implemented anyway.  A simple NAS with media sharing function on the other hand is very likely to be implemented and is fine imo.


It's a tough one - if you dont include anything then people will criticise it; if you include a semi-functional NAS then people will criticise it; if you include a fully featured NAS with transcoding then people will criticise the price.

NAS + Media server is a common feature of modern routers, and seems to be a lot of talk about it with threads on GZ, but how many people actually use that function day-to-day (i.e. excluding that one weekend when you played around with it)? Stealing CPU cycles away from WiFi to serve up media, in my experience, results in reducing WiFi performance for other users more generally.

I agree wth eXDee - leave it out. 1 USB port for 3G modem fallback, but that's it

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  Reply # 826387 27-May-2013 15:45 2 people support this post Send private message

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eXDee:
1080p: To all the suggestions for DLNA/USB3/ESATA/media centre capabilities.

No. Just no.


USB and DLNA are standard features on any high end home modem router these days. IMO display output and transcoding are unrealistic in terms of the role of the device and specifications required to make that feasible, but they won't be implemented anyway.  A simple NAS with media sharing function on the other hand is very likely to be implemented and is fine imo.


It's a tough one - if you dont include anything then people will criticise it; if you include a semi-functional NAS then people will criticise it; if you include a fully featured NAS with transcoding then people will criticise the price.

NAS + Media server is a common feature of modern routers, and seems to be a lot of talk about it with threads on GZ, but how many people actually use that function day-to-day (i.e. excluding that one weekend when you played around with it)? Stealing CPU cycles away from WiFi to serve up media, in my experience, results in reducing WiFi performance for other users more generally.

I agree wth eXDee - leave it out. 1 USB port for 3G modem fallback, but that's it

You mean 1080p

While i prefer to use a proper file server, even if its just an old linux box, USB+NAS a feature that's in demand in any home CPE these days. And if its going to be implemented, it may as well have several ways of accessing the media. I'd wager the majority of home users would not purchase a separate NAS device or set one up themselves, but would want to share a central hard disk or printer for example.

On a basic NAS being criticized, you could say that about any feature really - any can be escalated like that. "But it has DLNA, but why doesn't it have transcoding?" "But it has transcoding, why doesn't it have HDMI out?" "It has HDMI out but why doesn't it do 5.1 channel sound" "It has 5.1 channel sound but why doesn't it have TrueHD/DTS-HD"? etc.

I'd be surprised if the feature isn't in there.

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  Reply # 826396 27-May-2013 15:48 Send private message

nickb800:
eXDee:
1080p: To all the suggestions for DLNA/USB3/ESATA/media centre capabilities.

No. Just no.


USB and DLNA are standard features on any high end home modem router these days. IMO display output and transcoding are unrealistic in terms of the role of the device and specifications required to make that feasible, but they won't be implemented anyway.  A simple NAS with media sharing function on the other hand is very likely to be implemented and is fine imo.


It's a tough one - if you dont include anything then people will criticise it; if you include a semi-functional NAS then people will criticise it; if you include a fully featured NAS with transcoding then people will criticise the price.

NAS + Media server is a common feature of modern routers, and seems to be a lot of talk about it with threads on GZ, but how many people actually use that function day-to-day (i.e. excluding that one weekend when you played around with it)? Stealing CPU cycles away from WiFi to serve up media, in my experience, results in reducing WiFi performance for other users more generally.

I agree wth eXDee - leave it out. 1 USB port for 3G modem fallback, but that's it

The thing is, people (including me) don't like all the extra equipment that needs to be configured to talk to each other - there is no way my wife would be able to work out what was needed let alone install it.

A single box with USB (or built in HDD/SSD)/NAS/DLNA (basic serving) means you can just switch it on and use it.  I know it wouldn't perform the same as a real NAS, but then I couldn't afford a "real" NAS. 

We are a very media rich connected world at the moment, with the new smart TVs and Blu-ray players out there consumers need a simple way to connect.

In the good old days, audio was generally split into two categories - separates or combined.  The true audio appreciation society with the money always bought separate items - everyone else bought what they could afford.  I see this as a repeat of that. 




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  Reply # 826406 27-May-2013 15:55 One person supports this post Send private message

StarBlazer:In the good old days, audio was generally split into two categories - separates or combined.  The true audio appreciation society with the money always bought separate items - everyone else bought what they could afford.  I see this as a repeat of that. 

Good comparison i reckon and this is still the case.
Some people buy separate receiver/amplifier/players, others buy a dvd/blu-ray home theatre package which is a single unit. Its obvious which is the superior solution and offers more options, but often people just want something that's not only cheap but good enough to get the job done.

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  Reply # 826418 27-May-2013 16:04 Send private message

StarBlazer:
nickb800:
eXDee:
1080p: To all the suggestions for DLNA/USB3/ESATA/media centre capabilities.

No. Just no.


USB and DLNA are standard features on any high end home modem router these days. IMO display output and transcoding are unrealistic in terms of the role of the device and specifications required to make that feasible, but they won't be implemented anyway.  A simple NAS with media sharing function on the other hand is very likely to be implemented and is fine imo.


It's a tough one - if you dont include anything then people will criticise it; if you include a semi-functional NAS then people will criticise it; if you include a fully featured NAS with transcoding then people will criticise the price.

NAS + Media server is a common feature of modern routers, and seems to be a lot of talk about it with threads on GZ, but how many people actually use that function day-to-day (i.e. excluding that one weekend when you played around with it)? Stealing CPU cycles away from WiFi to serve up media, in my experience, results in reducing WiFi performance for other users more generally.

I agree wth 1080p - leave it out. 1 USB port for 3G modem fallback, but that's it

The thing is, people (including me) don't like all the extra equipment that needs to be configured to talk to each other - there is no way my wife would be able to work out what was needed let alone install it.

A single box with USB (or built in HDD/SSD)/NAS/DLNA (basic serving) means you can just switch it on and use it.  I know it wouldn't perform the same as a real NAS, but then I couldn't afford a "real" NAS. 

We are a very media rich connected world at the moment, with the new smart TVs and Blu-ray players out there consumers need a simple way to connect.

In the good old days, audio was generally split into two categories - separates or combined.  The true audio appreciation society with the money always bought separate items - everyone else bought what they could afford.  I see this as a repeat of that. 


Ultimately, how many people actually use the NAS function of their routers today? My impression is that very few of the people who already have NAS-functional routers actually use that functionality, and I suggest that a big part of it is that after testing it out, people realise it is too slow, especially for video with their TV. Does anyone here actually use that function of their router?

My Orcon Genius router (supplied free) is capable of acting as a basic NAS. I tried it once, it sucked. I can't afford a proper NAS. I choose to go without rather than suffer through using the Genius as a NAS.

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  Reply # 826431 27-May-2013 16:13 One person supports this post Send private message

This is a premium router though. And if it had proper NAS capabilities with media center stuff in it I would pay around what I would pay for an adjunct solution.
ReadyNAS's are priced any where between $500-$2000. For an all-in-one Router/Wifi/VoIP/NAS/Media device I would expect to pay up to $1000 as it is replacing so many bits of equipment that would probably add up to 3 times that. Sounds prohibitive in the short term but Telecom have the marketing budget to really show the country how useful a device like this could be. Also how it can revolutionise the way Kiwi's watch paid TV. There are plenty of people who would love an alternative to Sky but without a small bit of tech know how it just isn't available.

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  Reply # 826436 27-May-2013 16:18 Send private message

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Pearless: Do *NOT* offer VOiP / SIP features in the SOHO/SME market, they are not suitable for emergency 111 calls; the last thing Telecom would want is an avoidable death due to someone not being able to contact emergency services through the gateway! 


How then, do you suggest we provide voice services over UFB? lets just have none at all! that'll fix it.













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