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  Reply # 826588 27-May-2013 19:44 One person supports this post Send private message

openmedia: Can we get a vote against option as well as a vote for. There are a number of suggestions which would be a no no for me.


Agreed, it's more of a "Suggest anything under the sun in the hope of getting a free router", as opposed to a "Hey you're all tech guys that support this stuff all day / every day, what would you like to see that would make the lives of the general populace that you support, easier?"

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  Reply # 826602 27-May-2013 20:15 Send private message

1080p: To all the suggestions for DLNA/USB3/ESATA/media centre capabilities.

No. Just no.

Also, those suggesting you manage the router via MyTelecom or allow Telecom to remotely manage the router: how about a little security thought?


Well being a Telecom router it would make sense for them to include features that tie into their other services.

Remote management is possible on most routers already, but this suggestion implies that its going to be setup by default as secured to a gateway at the telecom helpdesk. There should obviously be an option to disable the remote management.

As a flow-on from the remote management (probably web based) incoming web connections that people want to be forwarded to internal servers (eg people that have a video surveillance system running on the LAN) should not be conflicting with the remote management, which should be setup on a different port.




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  Reply # 826617 27-May-2013 20:23 Send private message

eXDee:
1080p: To all the suggestions for DLNA/USB3/ESATA/media centre capabilities.

No. Just no.

Also, those suggesting you manage the router via MyTelecom or allow Telecom to remotely manage the router: how about a little security thought?


USB and DLNA are standard features on any high end home modem router these days. IMO display output and transcoding are unrealistic in terms of the role of the device and specifications required to make that feasible, but they won't be implemented anyway.  A simple NAS with media sharing function on the other hand is very likely to be implemented and is fine imo.

Allowing them to manage the router doesn't necessarily mean that it's insecure. As i described in my proposal, it could be optional and should be implemented over a secure standard channel. You could improve customer support significantly by having such ability.


Not sure about DLNA but a good idea if its not too processor intensive -- you don't want to compromise the core routing capability with all the extra features. But I'm thinking USB for example can have other uses, such as running the router from battery backup (maybe 1 port needs 2.5A power for that) so maybe a USB for that and 2 more for hard drives. Wait... that gives me another idea! Nah software RAID would be too much just for a router lol.




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  Reply # 826623 27-May-2013 20:33 Send private message

chevrolux: This is a premium router though. And if it had proper NAS capabilities with media center stuff in it I would pay around what I would pay for an adjunct solution.
ReadyNAS's are priced any where between $500-$2000. For an all-in-one Router/Wifi/VoIP/NAS/Media device I would expect to pay up to $1000 as it is replacing so many bits of equipment that would probably add up to 3 times that. Sounds prohibitive in the short term but Telecom have the marketing budget to really show the country how useful a device like this could be. Also how it can revolutionise the way Kiwi's watch paid TV. There are plenty of people who would love an alternative to Sky but without a small bit of tech know how it just isn't available.


I agree with this, but any media functions should take out the CPU intensive stuff and just keep it simple. I think one advantage of implementing a basic media solution is not so much as a media box, but that home security can use it for both local and remote monitoring of cameras. This router has to leverage UFB for things that were impractical before, and this is part of it.




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  Reply # 826624 27-May-2013 20:34 Send private message

hamish225: (quoted from suggestion forum)

Pearless: Do *NOT* offer VOiP / SIP features in the SOHO/SME market, they are not suitable for emergency 111 calls; the last thing Telecom would want is an avoidable death due to someone not being able to contact emergency services through the gateway! 


How then, do you suggest we provide voice services over UFB? lets just have none at all! that'll fix it.

There was the suggestion for IP over Avian Carrier.... The whole thing about designing a router for UFB is that VoIP will be a big part of it, but should not be locked down to one provider.




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  Reply # 826626 27-May-2013 20:38 Send private message

MadEngineer: the tragic thing is that Mikrotik already does 99% of the features on the wishlist. also not sure why you'd want a modem function


2 reasons: you have to compete with another carrier that has a modem function built into their new router. You also want to enable users to upgrade from DSL to UFB without shipping a new router. I suggested the DSL port can also be used as a FXO/lifeline port for POTS, I think that prevents it from ending up a wasted function.




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  Reply # 826660 27-May-2013 21:35 One person supports this post Send private message

MadEngineer: the tragic thing is that Mikrotik already does 99% of the features on the wishlist. also not sure why you'd want a modem function

As does the Fritzbox.
TomatoUSB, and i believe DD-WRT and OpenWRT also offer a lot of these features.

I think its about putting something more consumer friendly than mikrotik gear or loading custom firmware.

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  Reply # 826664 27-May-2013 21:38 Send private message

If only Gargoyle could be shipped en-masse (But even more stripped down), and with ADSL2+ / VDSL2 support, on the TP-Link TL-WR1043ND... Now *that* would be sweeeeeeet!

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  Reply # 826673 27-May-2013 21:45 One person supports this post Send private message

ChillingSilence: If only Gargoyle could be shipped en-masse (But even more stripped down), and with ADSL2+ / VDSL2 support, on the TP-Link TL-WR1043ND... Now *that* would be sweeeeeeet!

If they used gargoyle or TomatoUSB as a base you could fufill so many of these requirements straight away - and decent bandwidth/data metering and QOS are both in these too, two features which seem to not work too well or simply aren't implemented on a lot of devices.

Also, i'd like a thread where we could simply post screenshots of firmware as an example for what we have requested, since with all of these it's going to come down to how well its implemented. I'm sure there's many cases where we could point to a particular feature and say this is how it should be done.

Unless i can start doing that in this thread?



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  Reply # 826676 27-May-2013 21:49 Send private message

Go ahead, post screenshots - please resize them and upload to Geekzone to make it faster to load though.




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  Reply # 826689 27-May-2013 21:59 3 people support this post Send private message

The only issue I have so far is the top 10 suggestions are all available in premium routers already and aren't things the general consumer wants.

We need to think about the residential environment rather than just super geeky features that we want.

I agree that a good quota management and content filtering system would be really good for marketing to parents

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  Reply # 826693 27-May-2013 22:10 One person supports this post Send private message

I'm on the fence about DLNA and USB/SATA storage etc. On the one hand it's a major convenience (especially if it not only provides NAS to the LAN but also FTP/SFTP to the Internet), but unless it's sufficiently secure by default (random passwords and Internet access disabled by default) it'd be a nightmare.

As long as it wasn't terrible, like sadly most such features built into routers have been thus far, of course. And there's no point doing it if it can't keep up with routing full-speed Internet traffic to several ports while also streaming file data to at least one or two others.

I don't see it as exclusively a high-end customer feature, though. If it were sufficiently easy to use, lots of people would be interested in using it to make photos or video clips available to friends and family, or for slideshows or movies onto the TV. On the other hand there are already several web-based solutions for photo and video sharing, for example, and many TVs can do slideshows from a USB drive.

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  Reply # 826695 27-May-2013 22:14 Send private message

Couldn't be bothered resizing but I've pasted them here. If anybody wants to reupload these samples of Gargoyle to Geekzone, be my guest:
http://imgur.com/a/Yj0eQ

Some good samples, but even that WebUI could be cut down a lot more.

Edit: It's nice having all these fancy suggested features, but the people who will use them already do. If this is a router for the masses, then most of them are pointless.
Hell even look at the Gargoyle, that whole top 5 lines under "Wireless" could be removed, along with half the bottom ones :-/

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  Reply # 826716 27-May-2013 22:55 Send private message

webwat:
MadEngineer: the tragic thing is that Mikrotik already does 99% of the features on the wishlist. also not sure why you'd want a modem function


2 reasons: you have to compete with another carrier that has a modem function built into their new router. You also want to enable users to upgrade from DSL to UFB without shipping a new router. I suggested the DSL port can also be used as a FXO/lifeline port for POTS, I think that prevents it from ending up a wasted function.


Using the DSL port for voice as well will negate any line siezing equipment like alarms and similar that are between the voice output of the splitter and the input. That is why the fritz went the way they did with using seperate pairs in the RJ45 line jack and a cable that noone in NZ seems to be able to supply.




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  Reply # 826720 27-May-2013 23:05 2 people support this post Send private message

FWIW can we please have something that actually looks nice and not like some cheap plastic POS?

I'd like something that matches my Apple stuff and am happy to pay for sleek aluminium casing or something similar.

So sick of lowest common denominator junk...!








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