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  Reply # 826970 28-May-2013 13:05 Send private message

Fair point, quite possibly, but anybody who knows what a VLAN is and that they want two SSIDs running on separate VLANs is a geek. The first and top-most one is definitely a fantastic idea, but as you mentioned we're supposedly at the brainstorming stage, so I guess we'll see how this pans out.



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  Reply # 826978 28-May-2013 13:11 Send private message

hamish225:
freitasm: Of course one solution would be charge for actual usage, like other utilities - water, electricity. But that would get people complaining all over the place.



water is free in Christchurch ;)


Actually it may not be "metered" but somehow I have the impression rates pay for the water being consumed. So not really "free".





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  Reply # 827001 28-May-2013 13:26 Send private message

freitasm:
hamish225:
freitasm: Of course one solution would be charge for actual usage, like other utilities - water, electricity. But that would get people complaining all over the place.



water is free in Christchurch ;)


Actually it may not be "metered" but somehow I have the impression rates pay for the water being consumed. So not really "free".



well yeah the cost is averaged out over everyones rates. so you get unlimited water.

what if we did the same with broadband?













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  Reply # 827015 28-May-2013 13:42 Send private message

Full or at least half-bridge mode.

I ran a Smoothwall firewall and an Untangle server and finding a Telecom modem that could do half-bridge (to pass the external IP through to the Smoothwall) took some time. The DSL302G, DSL502T-Gen II plus some of the 2-Wire had half bridge but I remember having to d/l and blow the Oze version of the firmware to GET half-bridge available for the 302G !! Shouldn't have been that convoluted and often still awkward to locate or activate this mode correctly in those devices that purport to have it.

There are those that require an all in one solution, within the device being brainstormed, then there are those that need a more transparent device, and the firewall grunt work is done on a further device of choice. To supply a device with half-bridge then bypasses the need for many of the suggestions I've seen so far, because some of the functions would then be carried out on the downstream device of choice. It's a trade-off I guess.

We might need one of these devices for standard residential, another for business and another just for geeks ? (Either that or the geeks get to fiddle with their Raspberry PI's, Arduino/Funduino's or maybe even a Beaglebone Black ??)

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  Reply # 827019 28-May-2013 13:45 Send private message

You can do PPPoA -> PPPoE Passthru on the DrayTek DV120 if you want? Most "home" users don't know what half-bridging is. Hell most of the businesses I deal with don't know what that is, or what an ALG is, or what NAT *actually* does...

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  Reply # 827160 28-May-2013 16:17 Send private message

ChillingSilence:
Geektastic: Certainly one reason I may not bother is simply due to inadequate connection speed to make it a smooth and quick experience.


Wait what? You can't get 3 -> 4mbps to watch a 720p YouTube video?
Remind me again why that needs USB3.0? I'm presuming the 480mbps of USB2.0 is now somehow greater than the 300mbps you're likely to get from your Smart TV over WiFi, and that the movie you're trying to watch has a bitrate that's higher than that?


Until recently, 3mbps was a good day where I live and often it was as low as 1.5.

We now get 6.5 ish.

However people using smart TV etc may want to be doing things like downloading movies and HD movies take ages at 6.6 mbps - I did one the other day for taking on a flight and it took well over an hour.








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  Reply # 827186 28-May-2013 16:50 Send private message

Geektastic: Until recently, 3mbps was a good day where I live and often it was as low as 1.5.

We now get 6.5 ish.

However people using smart TV etc may want to be doing things like downloading movies and HD movies take ages at 6.6 mbps - I did one the other day for taking on a flight and it took well over an hour.


 

That's OK though coz I don't know of a single movie that is less than an hour, so it's not really a problem for streaming then yeah?

That said, USB3.0... Point still stands ;)

Also, I feel your pain, last year up until September 2011 I was syncing at 900kbps (Bits, not bytes) because of how far I was from the Exchange coupled with the retarded way the cabling runs up and down my street. A nice upgrade to a Cabinet (Thanks Chorus), and subsequent further upgrade to VDSL2 and I'm now a happy fellow syncing at 25mbps with 5mbps upload!

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  Reply # 827268 28-May-2013 19:42 One person supports this post Send private message

ChillingSilence: Fair point, quite possibly, but anybody who knows what a VLAN is and that they want two SSIDs running on separate VLANs is a geek. The first and top-most one is definitely a fantastic idea, but as you mentioned we're supposedly at the brainstorming stage, so I guess we'll see how this pans out.


But call it a "separate network for visitors to protect your personal files and computer" and most people will understand it and possibly want it. Advertising the technical BS behind a basic feature is where most geek types get unstuck, and not doing that is something that apple excels at which is why people consider their products "simple" despite itunes being one of the most frustrating horrid POS's out there.




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  Reply # 827281 28-May-2013 19:57 One person supports this post Send private message

davcomnz: Full or at least half-bridge mode.


Why? The whole point of this device is to offer an all in one IAD/RGW.

If you just want full PPPoA to PPPoE bridge mode buy a $60 Draytek.

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  Reply # 827611 29-May-2013 11:27 Send private message

richms:
ChillingSilence: Fair point, quite possibly, but anybody who knows what a VLAN is and that they want two SSIDs running on separate VLANs is a geek. The first and top-most one is definitely a fantastic idea, but as you mentioned we're supposedly at the brainstorming stage, so I guess we'll see how this pans out.


But call it a "separate network for visitors to protect your personal files and computer" and most people will understand it and possibly want it. Advertising the technical BS behind a basic feature is where most geek types get unstuck, and not doing that is something that apple excels at which is why people consider their products "simple" despite itunes being one of the most frustrating horrid POS's out there.


This is exactly what the purpose of the suggestion is.  You've got your own private computers (or business ones if you're a SOHO) and you've got your visitors separated from your stuff.  I think most people would find it quite useful to be honest.

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  Reply # 827612 29-May-2013 11:29 Send private message

Most routers already do Wireless client isolation, nobody bothers though :p

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  Reply # 827694 29-May-2013 12:49 3 people support this post Send private message

jimbob79: Option to participate in the distribution of computing could be implemented.

During the time where the device is idle (i.e. during the night), it could participate in the folding@home project. The folding@home project is to help scientists to find a cure for Alzheimer's, Huntington's, Parkinson's, and many cancers.

More information here: http://folding.stanford.edu/

I have no idea how complicated this could be or whether it's even viable, but it is original and it has merit.

**Please vote for this one. **


I think this is the best idea yet!













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  Reply # 827779 29-May-2013 15:23 Send private message

hamish225:
freitasm:
hamish225:
freitasm: Of course one solution would be charge for actual usage, like other utilities - water, electricity. But that would get people complaining all over the place.



water is free in Christchurch ;)


Actually it may not be "metered" but somehow I have the impression rates pay for the water being consumed. So not really "free".



well yeah the cost is averaged out over everyones rates. so you get unlimited water.

what if we did the same with broadband?


The water isn't unlimited, Christchurch rate bills have a "daily water allowance" metric. Residential customers aren't charged above it only businesses, but I imagine that like the high end broadband caps most residential customers wouldn't have a need to go over it and the water component of rates will cover all costs. Our rates bill gives our daily allowance at just under 700 litres per day. With 3 adults, from what I can find on google, that would give us all a 10 minute shower with at least 130 litres left over. We wouldn't use half that leftover between cooking, washing dishes, drinking: maybe we'd get close with washing clothes but we don't do that every day; and our front loader isn't very water hungry.

Businesses on the other hand could easily use more. I work as a cleaner at a holiday park. I imagine the land and buildings would give them a much higher base allowance, still we scrub and hose out 18 showers in the common areas every day. Then there's the fields to water, the hour long showers some customers take, all the toilets to flush, cooking and dishes for easily a hundred people...

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  Reply # 827786 29-May-2013 15:31 Send private message

hamish225:
jimbob79: Option to participate in the distribution of computing could be implemented.

During the time where the device is idle (i.e. during the night), it could participate in the folding@home project. The folding@home project is to help scientists to find a cure for Alzheimer's, Huntington's, Parkinson's, and many cancers.

More information here: http://folding.stanford.edu/

I have no idea how complicated this could be or whether it's even viable, but it is original and it has merit.

**Please vote for this one. **


I think this is the best idea yet!


If anyone lazy would like to go and vote for this, here is the link: http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=155&topicid=119286&page_no=23#827689

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  Reply # 827804 29-May-2013 15:59 Send private message

PaulBags:
hamish225:
freitasm:
hamish225:
freitasm: Of course one solution would be charge for actual usage, like other utilities - water, electricity. But that would get people complaining all over the place.



water is free in Christchurch ;)


Actually it may not be "metered" but somehow I have the impression rates pay for the water being consumed. So not really "free".



well yeah the cost is averaged out over everyones rates. so you get unlimited water.

what if we did the same with broadband?


The water isn't unlimited, Christchurch rate bills have a "daily water allowance" 


OH i totally didnt know there was a limit, they dont read the meters though so how do they know if you use more than 700 litres a day?













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