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  Reply # 854309 12-Jul-2013 12:10 Send private message

I think we need to get a Telecom definition of a week....perhaps there are 12 weeks in a calendar year over there;-)




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  Reply # 854312 12-Jul-2013 12:12 One person supports this post Send private message

According to quantum theory, this product may collapse into another state if directly observing project time line.

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  Reply # 854321 12-Jul-2013 12:40 One person supports this post Send private message

jimbob79: According to quantum theory, this product may collapse into another state if directly observing project time line.


We did think of allowing the product to act like a Tardis, but our health and safety guys didn't want a bar of it, seemed like traveling through space and time was not an option.




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  Reply # 854324 12-Jul-2013 12:50 4 people support this post Send private message

michaelmurfy:
jimbob79: According to quantum theory, this product may collapse into another state if directly observing project time line.


We did think of allowing the product to act like a Tardis, but our health and safety guys didn't want a bar of it, seemed like traveling through space and time was not an option.


Bloody health & safety. If this product was been developed for the South-Africa market it would come with built-in flame throwers.

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  Reply # 854354 12-Jul-2013 13:42 Send private message

jimbob79:
michaelmurfy:
jimbob79: According to quantum theory, this product may collapse into another state if directly observing project time line.


We did think of allowing the product to act like a Tardis, but our health and safety guys didn't want a bar of it, seemed like traveling through space and time was not an option.


Bloody health & safety. If this product was been developed for the South-Africa market it would come with built-in flame throwers.


I doubt it was health and safety, the person would be in another dimension and therefore not the responsibility of H & S.

Its most likely the GCSB was very unhappy that your packets would be beyond their grasp and said, no to the feature request.

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  Reply # 854383 12-Jul-2013 14:23 Send private message

ptinson:
jimbob79:
michaelmurfy:
jimbob79: According to quantum theory, this product may collapse into another state if directly observing project time line.


We did think of allowing the product to act like a Tardis, but our health and safety guys didn't want a bar of it, seemed like traveling through space and time was not an option.


Bloody health & safety. If this product was been developed for the South-Africa market it would come with built-in flame throwers.


I doubt it was health and safety, the person would be in another dimension and therefore not the responsibility of H & S.

Its most likely the GCSB was very unhappy that your packets would be beyond their grasp and said, no to the feature request.

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H & S wouldn't have wanted the paperwork - having to get sDOCs and then having to keep them for 7 years




Muddling along, being the most technical in the house, one of the oldest, and female .... hmmmmm gotta be some stereotypes busted in there somewhere.

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  Reply # 854385 12-Jul-2013 14:26 Send private message

jevvv:
ptinson:
jimbob79:
michaelmurfy:
jimbob79: According to quantum theory, this product may collapse into another state if directly observing project time line.


We did think of allowing the product to act like a Tardis, but our health and safety guys didn't want a bar of it, seemed like traveling through space and time was not an option.


Bloody health & safety. If this product was been developed for the South-Africa market it would come with built-in flame throwers.


I doubt it was health and safety, the person would be in another dimension and therefore not the responsibility of H & S.

Its most likely the GCSB was very unhappy that your packets would be beyond their grasp and said, no to the feature request.

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H & S wouldn't have wanted the paperwork - having to get sDOCs and then having to keep them for 7 years


Truth be told, H&S didn't know what the Tardis was, however another party didn't approve of the use of tinfoil in the end product used for traveling through space and time. Looks like it might be back to the drawing board, might be a bit of a delay whilst we try and sort out the kinks here.




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  Reply # 854407 12-Jul-2013 14:55 Send private message

Well unless you can find a more enviro friendly alternative to tinfoil they might still be jumping up and down about it.

BTW you can never get all the kinks out of tinfoil

And never chew it!




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  Reply # 854430 12-Jul-2013 15:29 One person supports this post Send private message

Back on topic, folks... Here's Telecom update on the top voted features. Note this is not a final feature set, as many of the other features were noted. 

I am told progress in the prototype work is going well and I will announce winners when I get the email telling me they have boxes to distribute.

Here we go:


Reply # 831068 votes: 273 "Built In bandwidth metering per device, and live views of bandwidth usage. Track ideally by MAC address, but by IP address would be sufficient also."
 

We're still in discussions with vendors on this capability. It is doable and involves a moderate level of complexity for it to be added to the firmware. We’re still in the process of mapping out the best technical approach.

Reply # 831078 votes: 229 "Support for 5Ghz wifi as well as 2.4Ghz "
 

Yes - this submission has being included in the specification brief sent to all vendors.

 
Reply # 831072 votes: 218 "I'd like to see a device that can broadcast two Wifi SSIDs VLAN'd off from each other, and apply restrictions such as blocked sites etc to the second SSID. Could be used to offer wifi to guests without them using it to head off and chew up all your data on YouTube or similar, and keeps their dirty devices away from your clean home (or small business) network. Alternatively could be used to keep kids from accessing naughty sites."
 

This can be done, but we believe the easiest approach is via a SmartPhone application that the gateway owner installs. Via this application we saw the gateway owner approving / rejecting MAC address connection attempts, setting time limits, setting WAN and/or LAN data limits or restrictions and controlling the white listing and black listing of sites. Application options are being reviewed.

 
Reply # 831080 votes: 177 "View and limit how much data each flatmate can use per month. You can also group each of the flatmates devices as one user. "
 

Yes this can be done  -  The capability we're working too with vendors  will allow the  Gateway owner to establish groups with MAC addresses assigned to each group (as we agree that most flatmates will have more than one connected device). The owner will be able to set WAN side data limits over a given time period (that reset when the given time period elapses). Plus we're working on consumption reporting method that will be accessible without giving non-admin rights to end users.

Reply # 831069 votes: 159 "VoIP – built in 2x ATA ports, DECT module, DECT handsets HD voice capable"
 

Yes - this submission has being included in the specification brief sent to vendors.

 
Reply # 831075 votes: 159 "VAN Support (OpenVPN, PPTP, IPSec etc)"
 

Yes - this submission has being included in the specification brief sent to vendors

 
Reply # 831071 votes: 153 "8x Gigabit ports | 4x above ports PoE"
 

We're still working through the most cost effective options for this submission. Having 8 Gigabit ports can be done, but it takes the device into business equipment territory, which changes the motherboard and ID requirements. PoE also can also be done, but adds considerable cost. Both options are still being worked through.

 
Reply # 831073 votes: 124 "WiFi – G/N/AC with option external WiFi powered by PoE port so WiFi can be mounted in roof space / on wall etc."
 

802.11b/g/n/ac has being included in the specification brief, as has an external RF antenna port. The extendable WiFi module is possible - but is still being reviewed, because it adds considerable costs.

 
Reply # 831076 votes: 124 "I'd like to see a rechargeable battery backup so all the laptops, SmartPhone tablets etc in the house still have Wi-Fi in the event of a power cut. This could be a built in battery li-ion or a slot of 4 Nm-hi AA batteries."
 

Having reviewed the options, we can confirm that this submission won't be included in the final build. We believe this feature is better managed by a dedicated UPS. Adding a battery adds steep compliance costs, increases logistics fees (as it becomes a hazardous good when transported) and increases weight (requiring additional chassis strength, ventilation etc).

 
Reply # 831084 votes: 105 "Mounting Brackets (like UFB ONTs) or keyholes in back or router so can be mounted easily where a user needs it. "
 

Yes - this submission has being included in the specification brief sent to vendors

 
Reply # 831074 votes: 87 "I'd like USB3 connection with DLNA Server built in."
 

The USB3.0 connection is possible - but expensive, so we’re still in discussions with vendors around options. The Gateway will be DLNA compliant / certified, but won't include an internal media server (unless the device can be configured to run on a version of Android - which is something we're investigating).

 
Reply # 831085 votes: 83 "USB – for 3G/4G failover stick"
 

Yes - this submission has being included in the specification brief sent to vendors

 
Reply # 831077 votes: 66 "A Global DNS (applied to all devices) and a separate DNS setting per IP reserved in the DHCP. This way some devices may use third party DNS for "performance" when accessing content... "
 

Yes - this submission has being included in the specification brief sent to vendors

 
Reply # 831079 votes: 64 "A small display on the device itself, showing how much of your data allocation has been used for the month. Either a progress-bar, or an LED readout. Similar to the Net Usage extension for Firefox. "
 

Having reviewed, we believe the best option is for this capability to be managed via a SmartPhone application that provides the same information, but is portable. Discussions with vendors have indicated that the inclusion of an LED screen adds considerable cost, so when we weighed against the practicality of the user needing to be in close proximity to the gateway to get the required information, we concluded that a SmartPhone application was a better approach. Application options are being reviewed.

 
Reply # 831083 votes: 57 "Wifi Spectrum Analyser so you know what Frequencies can be used "
 

We believe this capability would be better if it was SmartPhone application based. All gateways employ semi-smart spectrum analysis algorithms to find the clearest air.  But there are better Smartphone or laptop based methods of analysing that give you portability, whereas the gateway is static. Application options are being reviewed.

 

 





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  Reply # 854441 12-Jul-2013 15:52 Send private message

So basically a FritzBox, AudioCodes, BoB or other high end residential gateway with some flash firmware (aka Gargoyle) to make it user friendly...

The price better be good because those features aren't making it stand out yet. While I complain though I think it is excellent that Telecom are the ones instigating this as they have a ton of influence on consumers and if they promote this well it means people really will get the most out of their broadband connections.

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  Reply # 854615 12-Jul-2013 20:42 Send private message

Sounds good!













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  Reply # 854630 12-Jul-2013 21:11 Send private message

michaelmurfy:
jimbob79: According to quantum theory, this product may collapse into another state if directly observing project time line.


We did think of allowing the product to act like a Tardis, but our health and safety guys didn't want a bar of it, seemed like traveling through space and time was not an option.

Oi, you already used this line in relation to the Wifi phone boxes on Facebook 

Also i hope the DNS options use DNSMasq as a base. Or something similar, to offer per domain dns as well as per device. Since i feel like that could have just as much application.

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  Reply # 855398 14-Jul-2013 17:43 Send private message

Hope they look at the option of a separate battery backup port, because the essence of the battery suggestion was that a DC battery charger gives the router a redundant power supply instead of relying 100% on mains power. Of course USB may not have enough amps to power it so might be a simple 12V charger output or perhaps the WAN link could accept remote power in addition to the normal DC input, eg a PoE injector at the ONT allowing the ONT to share its UPS with the gateway. Any power input should still be able to plug into a UPS though, so not the normal plug pack, which was another important suggestion.

Power supply really is the Achilles heel of fibre broadband and VoIP even though average users don't usually realise it and wouldn't think about how to connect it. Perhaps the gateway should be marketed with either a charger output that feeds an external off-the-shelf 12V battery if required, or an external 12V power supply that fits a battery. I'm thinking the average user won't figure out that both the ONT and gateway can run from the same UPS, especially since ONTs don't seem to always make it into a comms cabinet, and building owners often don't request this because they are not the occupier and often not tech savvy at all.




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  Reply # 855527 14-Jul-2013 21:54 Send private message

webwat: Hope they look at the option of a separate battery backup port, because the essence of the battery suggestion was that a DC battery charger gives the router a redundant power supply instead of relying 100% on mains power. Of course USB may not have enough amps to power it so might be a simple 12V charger output or perhaps the WAN link could accept remote power in addition to the normal DC input, eg a PoE injector at the ONT allowing the ONT to share its UPS with the gateway. Any power input should still be able to plug into a UPS though, so not the normal plug pack, which was another important suggestion.

Power supply really is the Achilles heel of fibre broadband and VoIP even though average users don't usually realise it and wouldn't think about how to connect it. Perhaps the gateway should be marketed with either a charger output that feeds an external off-the-shelf 12V battery if required, or an external 12V power supply that fits a battery. I'm thinking the average user won't figure out that both the ONT and gateway can run from the same UPS, especially since ONTs don't seem to always make it into a comms cabinet, and building owners often don't request this because they are not the occupier and often not tech savvy at all.


yeah but every single person in nz has at least one cellphone so thats their 'in case of emergency' right there.













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  Reply # 855531 14-Jul-2013 21:59 One person supports this post Send private message

eXDee:
michaelmurfy:
jimbob79: According to quantum theory, this product may collapse into another state if directly observing project time line.


We did think of allowing the product to act like a Tardis, but our health and safety guys didn't want a bar of it, seemed like traveling through space and time was not an option.

Oi, you already used this line in relation to the Wifi phone boxes on Facebook 

Also i hope the DNS options use DNSMasq as a base. Or something similar, to offer per domain dns as well as per device. Since i feel like that could have just as much application.


Shh ;) people don't know that! The router is going to be Linux based so Dnsmasq is a huge probability since it works well with embedded systems. 




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