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  Reply # 891487 7-Sep-2013 22:44 Send private message

What are their opinions on the gateway feature set?
I'm still slightly blown away at the progress this crowd source project is making. For an everyday residential user, the feature set is above requirements and aligned with other mid-high end modem/routers available today.

What are they most disappointed about and to what degree?
External Wireless Antenna Connectors, or even simply, just an external wireless antenna. I struggle to come to terms that the cost to add this option for a globally highly reputed Modem manufacturer is too disproportionate to Telecom as the customer to consider.

What is still missing?
External Wireless Antenna Connectors
Confirmed blue LED lights - Blue LEDs are the best
Possible extended warranty periods if the cost is forecasted to be higher - I know it has nothing to do with the tech specs or anything, but with VDSL and Fibre available now, it's unlikely consumers will "upgrade" their physical broadband connection as we've done in the past: ADSL>ADSL2>VDSL etc, requiring a new modem/firmware upgrade each step of the way. IE: Telecom now offer 3 different Residential modems: TG582n, TG587, TG589, all with 1 year warrantys on each. How sweet would it be to have 1 or 2 modems (VDSL/FIBRE, both backwards compatible to ADSL as they already are) and a longer warranty period like some of the old DLinks had - ahh, everyone appreciates the robustness of an old DLink now don't they?

If they were to purchase this gateway from a retailer, how much would they be prepared to pay? NZ dollars and GST inclusive
xx months re-contract for existing customers
As said above, if the cost is significantly higher than current models, I'd appreciate a longer warranty period concreting some faith from the ISP in the modem itself.
Realistically, I'd pay $199 - 299 for a modem with a 2 year warranty and all features listed in first post, $99 with a 12 month contract term AND 2 year warranty.

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  Reply # 891488 7-Sep-2013 22:49 Send private message

Huge cost for external antennas, as the sockets have to be fitted into the case at assembly time which takes time, additional things to pack into the box with the router, people doing dumb stuff like not attaching them and complaining that its range sucks etc.

I can fully understand the desire to leave them off.




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  Reply # 891501 7-Sep-2013 23:30 Send private message

OMGpjay: Confirmed blue LED lights - Blue LEDs are the best

I'm going to put a vote against Blue LED lights, or rather ones that aren't able to be switched off in software. Everything has them and they are blindingly bright in darkened rooms! I have a random woolen glove sitting on the mikrotik truenet probe as it was an ultrabright LED.
Plus everyone knows red looks far better.  Or a subtle green, like the apple airport has on it. 

Not that it's a big issue, but since it was bought up.

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  Reply # 891514 8-Sep-2013 00:42 Send private message

I like blue lights too! or maybe aqua (to fit in with the telecom branding theme). Perhaps lighting similar to the Vigor 120 where its more like a plastic 'slit' than a bright bulb light. 
http://www.i-lan.net.au/downloads/Vigor120/Images/Vigor120.jpg


Loving the feature set on it. 
eSata was OTT, and I don't even know anyone who has ever used it in a non commercial application. 
I don't think USB 3.0 is completely necessary, but it would be a nice feature for those who want to run a NAS like a Synology, and get the most of streaming HD via it.
I don't know if I missed it, but I hope the wifi is dual band and at least dual atenna


For a high quality featured packed gateway like this, I would spend up to $349, or $149 on a 12 month contract on the 150GB plan or higher :)


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  Reply # 891515 8-Sep-2013 00:49 One person supports this post Send private message

I dont, and particularly those blue led backlit cut out numbers and letters (or worse, cryptic symbols) which makes the soooo hard to read.




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  Reply # 891516 8-Sep-2013 00:50 Send private message

Jarsky: I like blue lights too! or maybe aqua (to fit in with the telecom branding theme). Perhaps lighting similar to the Vigor 120 where its more like a plastic 'slit' than a bright bulb light. 
http://www.i-lan.net.au/downloads/Vigor120/Images/Vigor120.jpg


Those lit light guide things like on the vigor are cheap and nasty, they only do them to save money so they can use a cheaper surface mount LED and not have to worry about any allignment with the case. Problem is the light spills between them so that you cant tell what is lit and what is not from an angle.




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  Reply # 892143 9-Sep-2013 14:49 One person supports this post Send private message

I think the feature set is great, pretty hard to add to the firmware features. Perhaps the VoIP requirements need to specify security settings to protect against the VoIP hacking scams that are becoming more common.

UPS is mentioned as a reliable way to power the router, but should to notify computers of the power/battery status over a USB port. Firmware could still be setup to detect when UPS is running on battery and email users if the battery needs to be replaced (or monitor the time taken to run down the battery).

Also wondering how many of the more CPU intensive features can be run at the same time without running out of memory or becoming unstable.

Dissappointed that:
· DECT was made optional, I think it should have been mandatory since many households no longer have corded phones.
· PoE was not available - this is useful for VoIP and cameras as well as wifi devices — but would have increased the power usage too, which creates other problems.
· External antennae were not available. Routers are best located in an earthed steel cabinet that blocks wifi, so I hope there can be firmware control of networked wifi APs including congestion management/balancing and user control. 
· No mention of whether RADIUS could be built in to support wifi authentication.
· The internal battery wasn't going to happen, but wish they could have implemented a battery-charger outlet (such as high power USB) so that the router can both trickle-charge and draw off an external battery. UPS is often shared with devices that draw more power so would be nice if the router could survive a bit longer than the other gear.




Qualified in business, certified in fibre, stuck in copper, have to keep going  ^_^

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  Reply # 892150 9-Sep-2013 15:00 Send private message

Not sure what the "Ethernet Fibre WAN" port is about. Presume its a 1000baseT (copper) WAN intended to uplink to the fibre ONT and therefore needs compatible VLANs etc.




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  Reply # 892157 9-Sep-2013 15:13 One person supports this post Send private message

OMGpjay:
What are they most disappointed about and to what degree?
External Wireless Antenna Connectors, or even simply, just an external wireless antenna. I struggle to come to terms that the cost to add this option for a globally highly reputed Modem manufacturer is too disproportionate to Telecom as the customer to consider.

What is still missing?
External Wireless Antenna Connectors


Why do you think external antennas are such a big deal? In the days of single stream 802.11b/11g it made sense. You could stick an external antenna on for better gain for example and life would be a lot better.

These days the exact opposite applies.

With MIMO being the norm and 802.11ac now hitting the marketplace antenna design is critical. Quite simply a rubber ducky antenna will in many cases deliver a worse signal than a very carefully designed 3 chain internal antenna array. With 2.4Ghz being pretty much useless on your average urban environment, providing good WiFi performance is all about smart antenna design and I expect we'll see a lot more equipment with beamforming, something Ruckus rock at. It's not all about trying to build a 5W 2.4Ghz AP because all you're doing is adding to the noise. It's about building smart devices with smart antenna arrays, and this can only be done with internal antennas.




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  Reply # 892253 9-Sep-2013 17:11 Send private message

webwat: ... The internal battery wasn't going to happen, but wish they could have implemented a battery-charger outlet (such as high power USB) so that the router can both trickle-charge and draw off an external battery.


Trickle charging the router doesn't make any sense if it doesn't have a battery, so not sure what your talking about here.

[edit] Do you mean you want the router to be able to charge a battery that it can then run off of? That sounds problematic to do it so simply as to trickle charge it out a usb port. Building in the charging circuitry properly sounds nice in theory, but starts getting expensive especially if you want to be able to support different battery types and sizes. The user would then have to program it correctly, or risk burning down their house. Add in maintence charges and recharges to your trickle charges as well. Either it has to do all of that, or there is no point in it doing any of it.

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  Reply # 892311 9-Sep-2013 18:58 Send private message

sbiddle:
OMGpjay:
What are they most disappointed about and to what degree?
External Wireless Antenna Connectors, or even simply, just an external wireless antenna. I struggle to come to terms that the cost to add this option for a globally highly reputed Modem manufacturer is too disproportionate to Telecom as the customer to consider.

What is still missing?
External Wireless Antenna Connectors


Why do you think external antennas are such a big deal? In the days of single stream 802.11b/11g it made sense. You could stick an external antenna on for better gain for example and life would be a lot better.

These days the exact opposite applies.

With MIMO being the norm and 802.11ac now hitting the marketplace antenna design is critical. Quite simply a rubber ducky antenna will in many cases deliver a worse signal than a very carefully designed 3 chain internal antenna array. With 2.4Ghz being pretty much useless on your average urban environment, providing good WiFi performance is all about smart antenna design and I expect we'll see a lot more equipment with beamforming, something Ruckus rock at. It's not all about trying to build a 5W 2.4Ghz AP because all you're doing is adding to the noise. It's about building smart devices with smart antenna arrays, and this can only be done with internal antennas.



I prefer a lightbulb to a flashlight to light a dark room.

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  Reply # 892328 9-Sep-2013 19:34 Send private message

OMGpjay:
sbiddle:
OMGpjay:
What are they most disappointed about and to what degree?
External Wireless Antenna Connectors, or even simply, just an external wireless antenna. I struggle to come to terms that the cost to add this option for a globally highly reputed Modem manufacturer is too disproportionate to Telecom as the customer to consider.

What is still missing?
External Wireless Antenna Connectors


Why do you think external antennas are such a big deal? In the days of single stream 802.11b/11g it made sense. You could stick an external antenna on for better gain for example and life would be a lot better.

These days the exact opposite applies.

With MIMO being the norm and 802.11ac now hitting the marketplace antenna design is critical. Quite simply a rubber ducky antenna will in many cases deliver a worse signal than a very carefully designed 3 chain internal antenna array. With 2.4Ghz being pretty much useless on your average urban environment, providing good WiFi performance is all about smart antenna design and I expect we'll see a lot more equipment with beamforming, something Ruckus rock at. It's not all about trying to build a 5W 2.4Ghz AP because all you're doing is adding to the noise. It's about building smart devices with smart antenna arrays, and this can only be done with internal antennas.



I prefer a lightbulb to a flashlight to light a dark room.


Which is exactly the reason why the 2.4Ghz band is pretty much useless these days in many urban environments. The lightbulb isn't the solution, it's the problem.

I can't wait until we start seeing a lot more 802.11ad gear around - 60Ghz will overcome many of the limitations of current WiFi by pretty much ensuring the signal won't leave a room.

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  Reply # 892343 9-Sep-2013 20:04 Send private message

I've never liked wireless much. 30 minutes on google showed me why the "lightbulb" is a bad idea, though.

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  Reply # 892469 10-Sep-2013 06:58 Send private message

PaulBags: I've never liked wireless much. 30 minutes on google showed me why the "lightbulb" is a bad idea, though.


Ditto, I just never knew any better.

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  Reply # 892859 10-Sep-2013 18:17 Send private message

I have about 7 dirt cheap "lightbulbs" around the property to get coverage everywhere, and its still crap.




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