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Topic # 132306 16-Oct-2013 18:45 One person supports this post Send private message

As promised, here is the latest update. First some comments from the Telecom project manager:


Telecom Premium Consumer Project Update - 14 October 2013


Three suppliers have been shortlisted for testing and trials based on their responses to Telecom’s request for information (RFI) and subsequent commercial discussions.

The short listed suppliers include (in alphabetical order):

  • Huawei
  • SagemCom
  • Technicolor

A summary of each supplier’s submitted product is in the attached spreadsheet.

The street pricing is indicative and subject to a number of variables, the most significant being the US–NZ exchange rate.  All the planned activity with suppliers is conducted in US dollars.  The final chassis ID may also impact price based on complexity, materials and engineering effort.

The Huawei product is very new. I withheld an update to allow them to submit this product.  It is a hybrid LTE-fixed-line gateway with 1 x USB3.0 port.  The onboard LTE chipset is fast (Cat6), but makes the hardware cost is higher.  The LTE function will work on the pending Telecom network (sorry, no free mobile connections for testers at this time).  Naturally, Telecom cannot guarantee the Huawei device will operate on our competitors LTE network.

Testing will commence using default platforms (without customised chassis / ID) with a light customisation of the firmware to support TNZ network and internal lab testing.  The firmware will not be locked down to enable GeekZone testers to modify settings to their requirements. 

No OpenWRT build will be supplied to start with. Each of the platforms selected, we are advised, will support it.  The supplier that wins the lab tests and the hearts and minds of the GeekZone users will provide an OpenWRT build customised to the device.

Development of a SmartPhone app will continue independent of GeekZone participation until there is a product that is suitable to share.  Likely it will be an Android O/S build to start with, then iPhone once the Android build is finalised.

Suppliers will present design ID options for consideration. Images will be provided to GeekZone for feedback.

Telecom has ordered testing units from each supplier. Due to the scarcity of 802.11ac chipsets, delivery of the hardware is expected mid-to-late November.

The selection of who will participate in the testing will be made in the next few weeks.  Telecom commences lab testing December through January.  By end of January, we should have enough information to select a finalist and progress to final design and build.

As a final note, one supplier confirmed they have a variant Android O/S platform based on an ARM chipset under development.  However, it will not be available for testing until Q3 2014.  While there similar prototypes kicking around from other suppliers, this product is likely to be the first mass produced (emphasis on mass).



Note that we should have some units by the end of next month/early December for testing, which will be done with some of the folks who helped create the feature set.

Now some technical information about the devices:

Feature

Huawei Hybrid Device

Sagemcom F@st 5350D AC

Technicolor TG799vac v2 Xtream

Gateway Description

Premium Fixed Line & Integrated LTE Gateway

Premium Fixed Line Gateway

Premium Fixed Line Gateway

Product Launched

Pending

   

Estimated Street Price (NZ$) Based on US$0.80 exchange rate

Approx $330

Approx $220

Approx $260

Non-Volatile Flash Memory (Firmware) Minimum 128MB

Comply

128MB

128MB

Volatile Flash Memory (RAM) Minimum 128MB

Comply

128MB DDR3

256MB DDR3

IPv4/IPv6 Simultaneous Support

Comply

Comply

Comply

Main board Manufacturer / Designation

Huawei designed and manufactured

Based on Broadcom BCM63168 chipset

Based on Broadcom BCM63168 & BCM53124s

ADSL1/2/2+ Support

Comply

Comply

Comply

VDSL2 Support

Comply

Comply

Comply

Bridge Mode via UI

TBA

Comply

Comply via Easy Setup Wizard

Dedicated Ethernet WAN Port Gigabit Fibre Input (no GPON termination)

Comply

Comply 1 x GigE WAN Port

Comply 1 x GigE WAN Port

WAN Autosensing

Comply

Comply

Comply

Dedicated Ethernet LAN Ports 4 x Gigabit ports minimum

Comply

Comply x4 GigE LAN ports

Comply x4 GigE LAN ports

Power over Ethernet Support

Not Compliant

Not compliant

Not Compliant

 

Comply

Support 802.11n (2x2) @2.4GHz using BCM63168 chipset

Support 802.11n (2x2) @ 2.4GHz using BCM63168 SoC chipset

 

Comply

Support 802.11n (3x3) @ 5.0GHz using BCM4360 chipset

Support 802.11n (3x3) @ 5.0GHz using Quantenna chipset

 

Comply

Support 802.11ac (3x3) @ 5.0GHz using BCM4360 chipset

Support 802.11ac (4x4) @ 5.0Ghz using Quantenna chipset

Gateway based multiple SSID support

Comply

Comply

Comply

USB 2.0 Ports

Comply

2 x USB 2.0 Port

2 x USB 2.0 Port

USB 3.0 Ports (Preferred) Minimum of 1

1 x USB 3.0 Port

Not Compliant

Not Compliant

USB Support for 3G Mobile Broadband dongles (Telecom variants preinstalled)

Comply

Comply Driver must be integrated into firmware.

Comply Driver must be integrated into firmware.

USB Support for LTE Mobile Broadband dongles (Telecom variants preinstalled)

Comply

Comply Driver must be integrated into firmware.

Comply Driver must be integrated into firmware.

Permanent Mobile Broadband connection option

Comply

Comply

Comply

USB Support for FAT16, FAT32, NTFS file formats

Comply

Support for FAT16, FAT32, NTFS

Support for FAT16, FAT32, NTFS, HPS Plus, Ext2, Ext3

USB Support for Printer

Comply

Comply

Comply

DLNA Compatible or Certified

Comply

DLNA Certified

DLNA Certified

Multiple / Customisable VPN Support

TBA, under development

Compliant for VPN pass-through and a VPN termination on the gateway itself using L2TP.

Comply

Default ALG Support H.323, SIP, RTSP, FTP, TFTP, PPTP, IPSec, L2TP Minimum

Comply

 

PPTP, AH, ESP, IKE, SIP, JABBER, CU/SeeMe, RAUDIO(PNA), RTSP, ILS, H245, H323, IRC, DHCP, GAME(UDP), CONE(UDP) , LOOSE(UDP), SNMP_TRAP, FTP

ATA Ports

Comply

2 x FXS ports

2 x FXS ports

Integrated DECT Module (Optional)

TBA, under development

Comply

Comply

Voice SIP Support

Comply

Comply

Comply

HD Voice Support (G.722.2)

TBA, under development

Comply with G.722, not G.722.2

Comply with G.722 not G.722.2

RFC4638 Compliant Chorus FTTH requirement for Jumbo Frames

Comply

Comply

Comply

Gateway based role based access control.

TBA, under development

Comply

Comply

Mounting bracket or mounting holes in the gateway allowing it to be wall mounted.

No support for bracket or mounting hole with default design

Comply

Comply

Customisable Chassis / ID

Customised ID options available.

Customised ID options available.

Customised ID options available.

 





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  Reply # 916266 16-Oct-2013 19:03 3 people support this post Send private message

This is far beyond what I expected! Extremely impressed.

Nicely formatted comparison table:



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  Reply # 916271 16-Oct-2013 19:20 Send private message

Nice list of specs. Well beyond the current offerings.

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  Reply # 916285 16-Oct-2013 19:54 2 people support this post Send private message

Nice specs and price not bad at all either.


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  Reply # 916291 16-Oct-2013 20:10 One person supports this post Send private message

I concur. $300 is a good price range for such a feature rich device. I would buy.

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  Reply # 916293 16-Oct-2013 20:18 Send private message

Never heard of Sagemcom, under what brands are their products sold currently? The feature sets are very impressive and I'm glad to see there is support for OpenWRT and an Android app from all providers. Looking forward to seeing these devices out in the wild.

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  Reply # 916294 16-Oct-2013 20:23 3 people support this post Send private message

What, no GCSB chip?




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  Reply # 916297 16-Oct-2013 20:26 Send private message

coffeebaron: What, no GCSB chip?


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  Reply # 916299 16-Oct-2013 20:32 Send private message

kingjj: Never heard of Sagemcom, under what brands are their products sold currently? The feature sets are very impressive and I'm glad to see there is support for OpenWRT and an Android app from all providers. Looking forward to seeing these devices out in the wild.


It's a French company. They used to make mobile phones in the late 90s, early 00s. Some of those were available through BellSouth and later Vodafone New Zealand in the GSM (pre-3G) era.







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  Reply # 916301 16-Oct-2013 20:36 Send private message

Technicolor one looks good to me :P




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  Reply # 916322 16-Oct-2013 21:16 Send private message

Inphinity: Technicolor one looks good to me :P
that was my thoughts too.. you can squeeze a lot into 256mb flash




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  Reply # 916442 17-Oct-2013 08:23 Send private message

Well beyond my expectations too! Price point does not seem too bad, although it would be interesting to see what the final price ends up as and how much it is subsidised.

Good job getting this far with a shortlist of products.




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  Reply # 916449 17-Oct-2013 08:39 Send private message

coffeebaron: What, no GCSB chip?


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  Reply # 916552 17-Oct-2013 12:28 Send private message

That is dam good pricing for the feature set. Technicolour would be the pick I reckon.

Good to see it will support NTFS. Would be suprised to see HD content stream nicely through USB2.0 though... combine that with people who use wifi for everything and I can envisage a lot of moaning.

All in all though, very good work Telecom! The icing on the cake will be all down to how the stock GUI is done and how easy it will be for Joe Bloggs to set up the more advanced features.

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  Reply # 916564 17-Oct-2013 12:58 Send private message

chevrolux: Would be suprised to see HD content stream nicely through USB2.0 though...


USB2.0 isn't really a hindrance to HD streaming, imo. Provided the USB controller is decent, and the storage device connected is too, you can realistically sustain 25MB/sec or maybe a bit higher on USB2.0, which is more than enough to stream blu-ray quality. Of course, if you're using a flash drive that can only read/write at 5MB/sec, you may struggle - but it wouldn't matter if the device's bus had 10Gbps capacity if your device is the problem. Likewise, some low-end USB2 controllers also can't sustain these speeds, 




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  Reply # 916583 17-Oct-2013 13:30 Send private message

They all sound pretty impressive to me and the price point is certainly good too. I like the idea of a USB3 port and I think for the feature set a small price bump isn't much to complain about for the added advantage (assuming throughput speed is good too).

Well done to the 3 shortlisted.

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