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  Reply # 983771 10-Feb-2014 22:58 2 people support this post Send private message

Am I missing something here? Isnt the OP on a naked VDSL service? If so then why the need for a splitter / filter?

My understanding: All the OP needs to do is run some CAT5e or CAT6 cable from wherever the line enters their house, connect it to their modem, and disconnect all other wiring. Sure this will mean that all of the other jackpoints wont work anymore, but by only disconnecting at 1 point it will be easy for the OP to restore everything to how it was before when they move out.


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  Reply # 983772 10-Feb-2014 23:00 One person supports this post Send private message

Aredwood: Am I missing something here? Isnt the OP on a naked VDSL service? If so then why the need for a splitter / filter?

My understanding: All the OP needs to do is run some CAT5e or CAT6 cable from wherever the line enters their house, connect it to their modem, and disconnect all other wiring. Sure this will mean that all of the other jackpoints wont work anymore, but by only disconnecting at 1 point it will be easy for the OP to restore everything to how it was before when they move out.



yes, this would essentially do the same thing as a filter.

would certainly clean it up to an acceptable standard.


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  Reply # 983773 10-Feb-2014 23:01 Send private message

Aredwood: Am I missing something here? Isnt the OP on a naked VDSL service? If so then why the need for a splitter / filter?

My understanding: All the OP needs to do is run some CAT5e or CAT6 cable from wherever the line enters their house, connect it to their modem, and disconnect all other wiring. Sure this will mean that all of the other jackpoints wont work anymore, but by only disconnecting at 1 point it will be easy for the OP to restore everything to how it was before when they move out.



Correct isolate all the telephone jack points that are not in use, I linked off to Biddles blog about this on page one of this thread




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  Reply # 983811 11-Feb-2014 05:49 One person supports this post Send private message

Aredwood: Am I missing something here? Isnt the OP on a naked VDSL service? If so then why the need for a splitter / filter?

My understanding: All the OP needs to do is run some CAT5e or CAT6 cable from wherever the line enters their house, connect it to their modem, and disconnect all other wiring. Sure this will mean that all of the other jackpoints wont work anymore, but by only disconnecting at 1 point it will be easy for the OP to restore everything to how it was before when they move out.



true, but later on down the line it can make it a PITA for the next person who lives in the house if they want a POTS

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  Reply # 983832 11-Feb-2014 07:17

boland: just took a look where he had done his work. The cable comes in above ground at the first floor, into a little box labeled "3M". From there 2 cables go into the house, probably one goes under the house into the splitter that goes into 7 RJ45 cables.
So, that 3M box is the splitter? There are no plugs there, and it is outside of course...


If there's an external box with 1 cable in and 2 cables coming out, is it possible that there's already a master filter? If one cable goes to the 7 RJ45s where did the other end up? What else would Chorus be on site for?


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  Reply # 983849 11-Feb-2014 07:59 2 people support this post Send private message

BigPipeNZ:

So far, most of our VDSL customers have been very satisfied.  We've had very few speed/drop-out complaints.

For those who have issues, they can get a splitter installed.  Up to them.




How will you be compensating customers of other ISPs when your customers with poor wiring impact every other VDSL2 customer on the same ISAM when their poor wiring results in FEXT? UPBO has it's limitations.

IMHO what you're doing is just plain idiotic and shows a complete lack of any technical understanding from anybody involved with in Bigpipe of the xDSL technology.



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  Reply # 983872 11-Feb-2014 09:13 One person supports this post Send private message

Jase2985:
Aredwood: ... All the OP needs to do is run some CAT5e or CAT6 cable from wherever the line enters their house, connect it to their modem, and disconnect all other wiring...

True, but later on down the line it can make it a PITA for the next person who lives in the house if they want a POTS

Remember that this is a rented property.
Do it right and install a master filter.
And yes, the tools and cable etc. really will cost you $100+.




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  Reply # 983922 11-Feb-2014 10:43 3 people support this post Send private message

To ensure maximin performance of your VDSL connection and to reduce your impact on other VDSL users, a master filter should be fitted. Sure, a naked VDSL connection with a single dedicated feed from ETP to dedicated VDSL jack-point with no other wiring whatsoever is technically acceptable. However in my opinion, the work required to get to this point is the same as doing a full master filter install anyway. Therefore, for the sake of a $20-$30 part, it's a no brainer to fit the master filter.
This means you can go back to POTS if you need to in future, but more importantly if you have a fault and the question is asked "is there a master filter installed" you can say yes and not have to argue the point.




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  Reply # 983956 11-Feb-2014 11:23 Send private message

Thanks anyone for all helpful replies.
Bung:
boland: just took a look where he had done his work. The cable comes in above ground at the first floor, into a little box labeled "3M". From there 2 cables go into the house, probably one goes under the house into the splitter that goes into 7 RJ45 cables.
So, that 3M box is the splitter? There are no plugs there, and it is outside of course...


If there's an external box with 1 cable in and 2 cables coming out, is it possible that there's already a master filter? If one cable goes to the 7 RJ45s where did the other end up? What else would Chorus be on site for?


That external box must have been there before the Chorus guy came past by, as it has the same paint on it as the wall it is mounted to. One of the cables goes onto the deck, to the wall of the house and just disappears into the wall, doesn't come out at the inside.

The second cable goes under the house and ends at the splitter where it splits into 7 RJ45 cables. Our landlord has installed a lot of wiring, every room has 2 RJ45 connections. Under the house there are approx. 25 RJ45 wall sockets, each connecting to a wall socket in the house.
So, I connected 2 of the 7 RJ45 cables to the 2 lounge sockets (should be one, but did 2 just in case). In the lounge I connected the modem.

So:



Cable (outside) ----------> 3M box (outside) ---------------> Disappears in wall
                                          |
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                                          --> splitter to 7x RJ45 (under house) --->2x RJ45 cable --------> 2x RJ45 socket (under house)  -----------> 2x RJ45 cable -------------> 2x RJ45 socket (lounge) -----------> 1 goes to modem, other one unused.

Hope this makes it all clear.

@Aredwood: Yes, we have indeed naked DSL, but I read that in that case a Master Splitter could still improve the speed? It's indeed a rental property.

@BigpipeNZ: I have submitted a support ticket, directly after being hooked up. The support employee told me to wait 10 days. First day it was around 15MBPS (daytime), yesterday  only 6MBPS, at 7:30pm. Not fast enough for VDSL.

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  Reply # 983973 11-Feb-2014 11:52 2 people support this post Send private message

Bung:
boland: just took a look where he had done his work. The cable comes in above ground at the first floor, into a little box labeled "3M". From there 2 cables go into the house, probably one goes under the house into the splitter that goes into 7 RJ45 cables.
So, that 3M box is the splitter? There are no plugs there, and it is outside of course...


If there's an external box with 1 cable in and 2 cables coming out, is it possible that there's already a master filter? If one cable goes to the 7 RJ45s where did the other end up? What else would Chorus be on site for?



That black (or painted) 3M box is Saturns/TelstraClear/Vodafone ETP (External Termination Point), the Chorus guy was probably out there to swap over the networks from Vodafones copper network to Chorus copper network, this is done at the POE (Point of Entry).  A good practice is to replace the 3M ETP with the Chorus (Telecom) White ETP.  That little 3M box is too small for a Master Splitter, you would need to have one of the square white Telecom ETP's or the new rectangle ones to fit a splitter in, if the connections for the splitter are done at the POE.

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  Reply # 984078 11-Feb-2014 13:32 Send private message

you only want to be connecting to one jackpoint, this jackpoint really should be a rj45 jack, to match chorus's standards.

sounds like your install has gone correctly aside from the 2 jacks.


your diagram however tells me a different story..


so to make things clear, have you ran separate cables direct from the splitter to the DSL jackpoint?

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  Reply # 984134 11-Feb-2014 14:23 Send private message

With regards to DIY splitter installs...

What are the implications of shorting the incoming line?

Usually there are are 2x pairs of cables (4x cores in total) inside the line coming into the house, and on a typical property only 2 of these are live (assuming there is just one phone/naked line active in the house).

To install the splitter you need to determine which pair is live are (usually the ones connected and disappearing off into the rest of the house lol). If this live pair is shorted, does this permanently blow any protection back at the cabinet or is it tolerant of short (5 second ish) shorts?

Just trying to understand the potential implications of a DIY approach.

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  Reply # 984137 11-Feb-2014 14:26 Send private message

johnr: This should help you

http://www.geekzone.co.nz/sbiddle/8357


Man that's a good post sbiddle!



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  Reply # 984406 11-Feb-2014 19:45 Send private message

hio77: you only want to be connecting to one jackpoint, this jackpoint really should be a rj45 jack, to match chorus's standards.

sounds like your install has gone correctly aside from the 2 jacks.


your diagram however tells me a different story..


so to make things clear, have you ran separate cables direct from the splitter to the DSL jackpoint?

I have ran nothing...
There are two cables going into the house, starting at the 3M point. One goes under the house where the landlord has installed the splitter to 7 RJ45.
The other one seems to be disappearing. It goes into the wall at the top. However, I just noticed a wall socket near the ground. I have no idea what kind of socket it is, never seen it before. Just as wide as a RJ45, height as RJ11. Wiring inside is like DSL, orange, green, etc. It is a white box with some unknown logo on it. Anyone an idea what this might be?

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  Reply # 984410 11-Feb-2014 19:49 Send private message

sounds like your place is quite decked out.

i must have missread your post, ild suggest posting photos or getting the likes of coffeebarron in.

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