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Topic # 81562 14-Apr-2011 11:32 Send private message

Approaching 40 and last several years have had debilitating osteoarthritis of the spine. 

The low point was fighting bouts of depression and considering my life was over.  I have tried a multitude of dietary changes, supplements and medications.  I got to a point I was just sore 24x7 instead of in major pain 24x7.  I keep fit and do eat healthy, although any load bearing exercise is off the table now. 

Arthritis medications are pretty much a no go for me due to horrible side effects.  It now seems I have found something remarkable in this fight and it is unique to NZ.  It is an extract from NZ green lipped mussels called Lyprinol. 

There have been encouraging studies done so I decided to try it.  It isn't cheap, around $45 for 50 capsules and I take one morning, one night.  After taking this stuff for a month I have been feeling great for the first time in 5 years.  Pretty cool that this substance is native to NZ. 

I am not posting links or spamming, I certainly have no affiliation to lyprinol whatsoever.  I know a lot of people suffer from arthritis so am putting this out there for anyone looking to ease their pain.  I have also noticed that while on Lyprinol food that would trigger my arthritis with a vengeance now barely affect me. 

For example I've started eating potatoes and corn again, and the occasional bag of chippies doesn't wreak havoc like it used to. 

*edit, to hose who might be thinking "placebo effect", well I have tried over 20 supplements in the last 2 years.. everything from curcumin, boswellia, pycnogenol, garlic, omega3, vit-d, ect.  I am a skeptical person by nature and although at times felt some things I tried helped they did not get to a level worth continued investment.  This is the first substance that I would actually fear not taking anymore.

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  Reply # 458630 14-Apr-2011 11:36 Send private message

I am glad to hear that, I hope you stay well.
Cody

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  Reply # 568522 13-Jan-2012 17:14 Send private message

Adappted- I have had a major success with arthritus and helped my two sisters as well. I discovered that boron would help so I used 1/4 teaspoon to stop all the symptoms whenever they appeared with great results, BUT I then found on line that boron interfeared with insulin production and as I had been diagnosed as borderline diabetic I stopped taking it and advised my sisters to beware of this effect. I concentrated on lowering my blood sugar by completely stopping eating any sugar, cakes biscuits, etc and drastically reducing carbohydrates (which convert to glucose). This meant drastically reducing intake of potatoes, rice, and pasta. My blood sugar dropped way down AND MY ARTHRITUS DISSAPEARED. It has not come back even slightly. Then I found an article on line that said sugar causes inflamation all through the body. Problem solved. Get your blood sugar level way down and joint inflamation dissapears.

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  Reply # 568669 14-Jan-2012 00:21 Send private message

I heard years ago that the green lipped mussle had properties that were good for arthritis but thought it was just 'spin' !

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  Reply # 568706 14-Jan-2012 10:03

My dad swears by that product.
That green lipped mussel extract has been around for quite a while.

I remember years ago I worked with a guy whose wife had very bad arthritis.
I mentioned that my dad swore by the green lipped mussel extract (I think it was marketed as lyprinol from the start) and that in fact my grandmother had used it as well.

I few months later the guy I worked with told me his wife had tried it and reckoned she had a great improvement.

All those autoimmune diseases probably have something that provokes them - Hopefully one day there will be a way of turning them off. Will probably rival the 'cure for cancer' as a medical milestone.




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  Reply # 568743 14-Jan-2012 11:23

Glad you have improved. There is quite a bit of history re the medical effects of green lipped mussels. I had a dual interest in the 1970's, being not only a doctor in general practice, but also owning a mussel farm in The Sounds. There was intense interest in the anti-inflammatory effect back then, and there were several companies set up to market the freeze dried extract of green lipped mussels. However, I seem to remember that there was a double blind trial (by University of Otago) to assess the effectiveness of the extract, and, after two years or so, no definite benefit was noted. There was a redirection of marketing and the extract was sold to relieve arthritis in pets, particularly dogs. It was never a prescribed medication but there was a hard core of people who swore by the product.
The main purpose of my comments is to let you know that the possible benefits of green lipped mussels have been known for a long time. I have little doubt, from your history, that the mussels have, at the very least, contributed to your miraculous improvement.  

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  Reply # 569056 15-Jan-2012 12:55 Send private message

IMHO success with green lipped mussel extract, to me, is exactly the same as my success with boron. Yes it takes away the inflamation and hence the pain, but it is only temporary relief of symptoms. Yes, that in itself is great, but the underlying problem is still there. When I got relief of my symptoms with boron I was so pleased, I told everyone I could, I got my sisters on to it and they got huge relief too. My youngest sister had swollen knuckles and bent fingers and took eight panodol per day for the pain, (prescribed by her doctor). When her fingers straightened and her knuckle swelling dissapeared, she showed her doctor. He said " How did you do that, I had you down for knuckle replacement within five years." When she told him how I got her on to boron, he said, "I am not supposed to tell you this, but keep doing what you are doing." How revealing is that. Doctors know what causes arthritus, but they will never tell their patients because the cure does not involve drugs. Once I found that boron interferes with insulin production and I discovered that the problem was sugar causing inflamation, I was able to completely cure the arthritus. By keeping my blood sugar level down to normal, it has not returned even slightly.

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  Reply # 569091 15-Jan-2012 14:03 Send private message

Disclaimer - not a medical person in any sense.

My personal feeling is a lot of these supplement types of things and methods are effective for some people but not others depending on development of the problem, eitology, diet, and other factors not easily controlled for in clinical trials simply because we lack 100% understanding of the disease.

It is also important to understand the limitations of clinical trial design. If a substance or method genuinely helps one person in 100 people because of unique factors, most clinical trials by themselves are unlikely to detect this with any accuracy.

Additionally, in a six month trial of 100 people where 20 or so people in group (a) show a very positive response to the substance, and 20 or so people in group (b) also show a very positive response to placebo, the trial is a fail because the substance statistically is no better than placebo.

Where the problem is long term and degenerative trial results can be misleading. This is not an argument against clinical trials, it is an area for genuine scientific and statistical investigation.

This article goes into that subject a bit from a medical perspective:

http://www.miller-mccune.com/health/placebo-effect-stronger-than-we-thought-38717/

Additionally most of these supplement type things are very low risk for adverse effects, with some exceptions (and interactions with other things) so supervision by a medical professional is always a good idea.

As I understand it - from an ethical perspective, the medical profession is limited to recommending treatments which are clinically proven, but are usually happy to monitor and advise on potential harm or problems which should be watched for when using supplements etc.

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  Reply # 569099 15-Jan-2012 14:17 Send private message

If you are not a doctor then you are certainly trotting out their usual 'must do anything to do with health under a doctors supervision b/s' I know that boron reduces the inflamation and therefore the pain of arthritus. I am well informed that sugar causes inflamation in the body (from many sources). I also know that doctors are under the thumb of the drug companies. (Promote and prescribe our products or lose your funding and perks and be ostracised).
I am happy to be free of any symptoms of arthritus and I pass on my experiences with the complaint in case it can help someone else. Take it or leave it as you wish.

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  Reply # 569118 15-Jan-2012 14:59 Send private message

Ok, clearly that is a reply to my comments about medical supervision. The fact is people are free do what they wish in that regard, and I agree with that entirely. My comments were intended to support your approach to treatment in general, and my intention was to point out why existing clinical trials often miss or cannot correctly account for positive effects. In retrospect, my post was off topic. I agree that drug companies do not spend money researching things they cannot patent. Drug companies are not good at basic medicine and basic research. Anyway, again I'm off topic again. Please do continue sharing your experiences.

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  Reply # 569128 15-Jan-2012 15:31 Send private message

Sorry GZT, I have had so many experiences with doctors ignoring the Hipocratic oath and not doing the best for their patients if it means not prescribing drugs, that I am a bit touchy about it. I am so amazed at how good I feel with absolutely no arthritus symptoms at all, I now realise that even though my main symptoms were in my thumbs and slight but noticable symptoms in my hips and knees, I didn't realise that I had quite major symptoms all through my body. I had obviously got used to them over many many years. My first indication was gout in my big toe when I was a teenager. Too much kicking footballs in bare feet and far too much sugar. I always put a huge ammount of sugar on my weetbix, puddings etc. I became a sweet tooth big time until the last few years, (I'm 72), when it gradually dawned on me that when I had less sugar I didn't get so much arthritus. Once I was diagnosed prediabetic and completely gave up sugar, some research proved my suspicions. I'm cured and intend to stay that way. Further research has shown that sugar damages health generally. How I now feel now proves the point quite clearly. Any of the doctors i have been to for various reasons could have told me why I had arthritus. I have never seen any mention of sugar in any literature put out by the medical 'profession', or by the Arthritus Society, yet the information and research is out there. It doesn't require the use of drugs so they keep it quiet. The overiding rule is 'Only treat the symptoms and they will keep coming back for more drugs'.

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  Reply # 569146 15-Jan-2012 16:25

I agree with GZT that this thread has certainly gone "off topic" . It has wandered into the realms of agenda. 

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