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  Reply # 1009386 19-Mar-2014 21:37 Send private message

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Noodles: Has anyone had any experience submitting videos like that to the police? Are they receptive to them? Can they use them to prosecute?


Normally you need to go in to the station with the evidence to make a formal report (in writing). They should follow up. They still need to prove who was driving (the video does not prove that) but sometimes staff at stations have (in my experience) been less than helpful.


http://www.police.govt.nz/advice/driving-and-road-safety/report-bad-driver


But if you want it taken further (investigation/court action) they ask you go in to a station.

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  Reply # 1009441 19-Mar-2014 23:01 Send private message

What the?! Is there anything about that intersection that could explain that behavior? Probably not!

There is might be enough to identify the colour and model of the car and increase in brightness might show some of the plate to make close enough id.

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  Reply # 1009463 19-Mar-2014 23:28 3 people support this post Send private message

jarledb: Yeah, I used to have high regards for NZ drivers (mostly because norwegian ones in the big city is pretty horrendous). But a little time on the roads and you do get to see some muppets.


Driving through a roundbabout today and noticed that out of five cars entering the roundabout two indicated right when in fact they were going straight (should indicate left just before the second exit to leave). Other two were in wrong lanes (one inside changed lanes in front of another car to exit and one on the exit lane change to the inside lane to continue) and another one just decided to leave the roundabout without indicating at all.

Many times on a roundabout I just slowdown and stop because I "feel" the other driver is going to do something different than what is being indicated - and most of the times I am right in doing so.

There is a bunch of muppets on the road in New Zealand.






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  Reply # 1009498 20-Mar-2014 00:47 One person supports this post Send private message

freitasm:
jarledb: Yeah, I used to have high regards for NZ drivers (mostly because norwegian ones in the big city is pretty horrendous). But a little time on the roads and you do get to see some muppets. 


Driving through a roundbabout today and noticed that out of five cars entering the roundabout two indicated right when in fact they were going straight (should indicate left just before the second exit to leave). Other two were in wrong lanes (one inside changed lanes in front of another car to exit and one on the exit lane change to the inside lane to continue) and another one just decided to leave the roundabout without indicating at all.

Many times on a roundabout I just slowdown and stop because I "feel" the other driver is going to do something different than what is being indicated - and most of the times I am right in doing so.

There is a bunch of muppets on the road in New Zealand.



I believe under the old road rules, you did have to signal right when going straight on, and then left on the last exit prior to leaving the roundabout. They have since changed that, as most of  NZs roundabouts are so tiny, it caused confusion,  and roundabouts weren't really designed to be so small. It is the people who don't indicaste at all that are the real problem. Many drivers are probably still using the old rules.
 I do think calling these people Muppets, is too good for them. Muppets are kind of cool, these poor drivers are anything but.

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  Reply # 1009503 20-Mar-2014 01:08 One person supports this post Send private message

mattwnz:
freitasm:
jarledb: Yeah, I used to have high regards for NZ drivers (mostly because norwegian ones in the big city is pretty horrendous). But a little time on the roads and you do get to see some muppets. 


Driving through a roundbabout today and noticed that out of five cars entering the roundabout two indicated right when in fact they were going straight (should indicate left just before the second exit to leave). Other two were in wrong lanes (one inside changed lanes in front of another car to exit and one on the exit lane change to the inside lane to continue) and another one just decided to leave the roundabout without indicating at all.

Many times on a roundabout I just slowdown and stop because I "feel" the other driver is going to do something different than what is being indicated - and most of the times I am right in doing so.

There is a bunch of muppets on the road in New Zealand.



I believe under the old road rules, you did have to signal right when going straight on, and then left on the last exit prior to leaving the roundabout. They have since changed that, as most of  NZs roundabouts are so tiny, it caused confusion,  and roundabouts weren't really designed to be so small. It is the people who don't indicaste at all that are the real problem. Many drivers are probably still using the old rules.
 I do think calling these people Muppets, is too good for them. Muppets are kind of cool, these poor drivers are anything but.


The old rules provide a visible distinction between 'going straight through' and 'not indicating at all'... I think you should always signal your intention - indicate right past the first exit, then left before next exit - then it's all clear.  I'm glad at least one other driver agrees!

Most people are not indicating at all, so there is no way to tell what they are going to do, and you therefore can never assume no indicator means going straight ahead...

Edit: actually, make that two other drivers.




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  Reply # 1009538 20-Mar-2014 07:41 One person supports this post Send private message

bener: The old rules provide a visible distinction between 'going straight through' and 'not indicating at all'... I think you should always signal your intention - indicate right past the first exit, then left before next exit - then it's all clear.  I'm glad at least one other driver agrees!

Most people are not indicating at all, so there is no way to tell what they are going to do, and you therefore can never assume no indicator means going straight ahead...


To make it easier for everyone: Indicating on roundabouts.


If you are travelling more than halfway around a roundabout:

  • signal right as you come up to the roundabout
  • signal left as you pass the exit before the one you wish to take.

If you are going 'straight' through a roundabout:

  • don't signal as you come up to the roundabout
  • signal left as you pass the exit before the one you wish to take. At some small roundabouts it may not be possible to give three seconds warning, but it is courteous to give as much indication as you can.


With helpful pictures in link.





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  Reply # 1009539 20-Mar-2014 07:47 Send private message

+1 for the stop and stab a guess at roundabouts.

Regularly see people indicating right while exiting.
Or left while continuing around.
Or not indicating at all.

Fairly difficult to make a safe decision.

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  Reply # 1009544 20-Mar-2014 08:06 Send private message

sdav:
Noodles: Has anyone had any experience submitting videos like that to the police? Are they receptive to them? Can they use them to prosecute?


Normally you need to go in to the station with the evidence to make a formal report (in writing). They should follow up. They still need to prove who was driving (the video does not prove that) but sometimes staff at stations have (in my experience) been less than helpful.


My experience has been police are worthless...... unless you are a politician with a" cup of tea tape issues" then hundreds of police man hours can be wasted until the MP can no longer get political milage from it.

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  Reply # 1009554 20-Mar-2014 08:32 Send private message

We have rules on the road?

Jeez when did this happen?

But i have noticed whenever im in Hasting/Napier the drivers there are worse than any i have seen in the country, a lot of people dont have respect on our roads and that is what saddens me

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  Reply # 1009561 20-Mar-2014 08:51 3 people support this post Send private message

Hey, I live in HB as well and I refute that video was me.

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  Reply # 1009569 20-Mar-2014 09:07 One person supports this post Send private message

A simple rule change for intersections has caused much nonsense in NZ, imagine the chaos if we changed what side of the road we drive on. I think I would retire from driving.




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  Reply # 1009570 20-Mar-2014 09:09 Send private message

Lyderies: We have rules on the road?

Jeez when did this happen?

But i have noticed whenever im in Hasting/Napier the drivers there are worse than any i have seen in the country, a lot of people dont have respect on our roads and that is what saddens me


one rule seems to be prevalent, when one closes the door the brain is switched off in 90% of the populous.




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 Interesting. You're afraid of insects and women. Ladybugs must render you catatonic.

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  Reply # 1009589 20-Mar-2014 09:16 Send private message

freitasm: To make it easier for everyone: Indicating on roundabouts.



If you are travelling more than halfway around a roundabout:

  • signal right as you come up to the roundabout

  • signal left as you pass the exit before the one you wish to take.


If you are going 'straight' through a roundabout:

  • don't signal as you come up to the roundabout

  • signal left as you pass the exit before the one you wish to take. At some small roundabouts it may not be possible to give three seconds warning, but it is courteous to give as much indication as you can.



When going straight ahead, it's an ill-thought out rule that simply doesn't work at most roundabouts because, as mattwnz said, most roundabouts in New Zealand are far too small for all this kind of nonsense and it simply makes it even more confusing. It also doesn't work at bigger roundabouts that have double-lanes where both can go off at an exit.

Most roundabouts are also badly designed / placed (like much of New Zealand's roading and motorway system) and should be replaced by traffic lights. There's four roundabouts (two tiny ones and two average size ones) along one very long main road I sometimes use during the evening peak hour. The traffic flows very smoothly throughout most of the road including at the sets of traffic lights, but there are always long queues which build-up at the roundabouts. At one point there is one tiny roundabout after a larger one, and it often causes huge queues.

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  Reply # 1009590 20-Mar-2014 09:19 Send private message

Lyderies: We have rules on the road?

Jeez when did this happen?

But i have noticed whenever im in Hasting/Napier the drivers there are worse than any i have seen in the country, a lot of people dont have respect on our roads and that is what saddens me


Try driving in Palmy.
I think per head of population palmy has more intersection accidents than anywhere else in NZ by a factor of 2 (stat I read in the papers years ago), and things have NOT improved !



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  Reply # 1009616 20-Mar-2014 09:41 One person supports this post Send private message

Roundabouts if used correctly by motorists greatly improve traffic flows, traffic lights are a fixed tailback creator.




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