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  Reply # 1010448 21-Mar-2014 10:38 Send private message

KiwiNZ: The best way to deal with muppets is to take a defensive or advanced driver course.


Totally agree that such courses would be valuable; the problem is they don't appear to be available in some areas. For example, I'm keen on doing such a course and tried to find one in my area (Palmerston North/Manawatu). Every single course available was focused on learner drivers - ie the course that enables new drivers to reduce the period of time before getting the next stage of their licence (between restricted and full?). 

I don't want that kind of course - it's mostly theory delivered by classroom learning. This is a topic I think experiential learning - as in an actual car! - is probably the most valuable. I assume the big centres have companies that provide this type of training? (Actually, it's made me think I should see if my employer can provide its employees with such training - given we employ driver trainers...)

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  Reply # 1010461 21-Mar-2014 10:51 Send private message

jonathan18:
KiwiNZ: The best way to deal with muppets is to take a defensive or advanced driver course.


Totally agree that such courses would be valuable; the problem is they don't appear to be available in some areas. For example, I'm keen on doing such a course and tried to find one in my area (Palmerston North/Manawatu). Every single course available was focused on learner drivers - ie the course that enables new drivers to reduce the period of time before getting the next stage of their licence (between restricted and full?). 

I don't want that kind of course - it's mostly theory delivered by classroom learning. This is a topic I think experiential learning - as in an actual car! - is probably the most valuable. I assume the big centres have companies that provide this type of training? (Actually, it's made me think I should see if my employer can provide its employees with such training - given we employ driver trainers...)


The course you are talking about is the defensive driving course, you get a practical lesson at the end of it, it is worth going to no matter what age you are

Also if you just call the AA up or whoever does the course im sure you can get the tutor to give you particle lessons, i know in auckland there is even a step further where they teach you how to regain control of your car etc (all practical)

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  Reply # 1010462 21-Mar-2014 10:51 Send private message

jonathan18:
KiwiNZ: The best way to deal with muppets is to take a defensive or advanced driver course.


Totally agree that such courses would be valuable; the problem is they don't appear to be available in some areas. For example, I'm keen on doing such a course and tried to find one in my area (Palmerston North/Manawatu). Every single course available was focused on learner drivers - ie the course that enables new drivers to reduce the period of time before getting the next stage of their licence (between restricted and full?). 

I don't want that kind of course - it's mostly theory delivered by classroom learning. This is a topic I think experiential learning - as in an actual car! - is probably the most valuable. I assume the big centres have companies that provide this type of training? (Actually, it's made me think I should see if my employer can provide its employees with such training - given we employ driver trainers...)



http://www.holden-driving.co.nz

http://www.aa.co.nz/drivers/driving-school/defensive-driving-courses/?gclid=CNug2IKMor0CFcwipQodqSYA0Q


The later has an online version. Holden Driving is held in your area check the schedule it's on their website somewhere, they do did when I did it practical driving including skid pad etc

I have done both, totally worth it





Mike

 Interesting. You're afraid of insects and women. Ladybugs must render you catatonic.

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  Reply # 1010469 21-Mar-2014 10:58 Send private message

KiwiNZ:  http://www.holden-driving.co.nz

http://www.aa.co.nz/drivers/driving-school/defensive-driving-courses/?gclid=CNug2IKMor0CFcwipQodqSYA0Q


The later has an online version. Holden Driving is held in your area check the schedule it's on their website somewhere, they do did when I did it practical driving including skid pad etc

I have done both, totally worth it



Thanks; was aware of the AA ones (the defensive driving ones mentioned in the previous post), but too much hui not enough do-ey for me. However, the Holden course, while not cheap, seems far more what I was looking for, and I hadn't come across this one before. Will first of all ask at work as to whether they can give us or pay for such training - given many of us do a lot of driving (and we self-insure) there's probably a good case to be made there...

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  Reply # 1010471 21-Mar-2014 11:00 Send private message

KiwiNZ:
jonathan18:
KiwiNZ: The best way to deal with muppets is to take a defensive or advanced driver course.


Totally agree that such courses would be valuable; the problem is they don't appear to be available in some areas. For example, I'm keen on doing such a course and tried to find one in my area (Palmerston North/Manawatu). Every single course available was focused on learner drivers - ie the course that enables new drivers to reduce the period of time before getting the next stage of their licence (between restricted and full?). 

I don't want that kind of course - it's mostly theory delivered by classroom learning. This is a topic I think experiential learning - as in an actual car! - is probably the most valuable. I assume the big centres have companies that provide this type of training? (Actually, it's made me think I should see if my employer can provide its employees with such training - given we employ driver trainers...)



http://www.holden-driving.co.nz

http://www.aa.co.nz/drivers/driving-school/defensive-driving-courses/?gclid=CNug2IKMor0CFcwipQodqSYA0Q


The later has an online version. Holden Driving is held in your area check the schedule it's on their website somewhere, they do did when I did it practical driving including skid pad etc

I have done both, totally worth it



Would be good to attend one of these again. I attended a BMW advanced driving course in South Africa a few years ago. It was really great.

But driving a Holden?

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  Reply # 1010474 21-Mar-2014 11:08 Send private message

Klipspringer:
KiwiNZ:
jonathan18:
KiwiNZ: The best way to deal with muppets is to take a defensive or advanced driver course.


Totally agree that such courses would be valuable; the problem is they don't appear to be available in some areas. For example, I'm keen on doing such a course and tried to find one in my area (Palmerston North/Manawatu). Every single course available was focused on learner drivers - ie the course that enables new drivers to reduce the period of time before getting the next stage of their licence (between restricted and full?). 

I don't want that kind of course - it's mostly theory delivered by classroom learning. This is a topic I think experiential learning - as in an actual car! - is probably the most valuable. I assume the big centres have companies that provide this type of training? (Actually, it's made me think I should see if my employer can provide its employees with such training - given we employ driver trainers...)



http://www.holden-driving.co.nz

http://www.aa.co.nz/drivers/driving-school/defensive-driving-courses/?gclid=CNug2IKMor0CFcwipQodqSYA0Q


The later has an online version. Holden Driving is held in your area check the schedule it's on their website somewhere, they do did when I did it practical driving including skid pad etc

I have done both, totally worth it



Would be good to attend one of these again. I attended a BMW advanced driving course in South Africa a few years ago. It was really great.

But driving a Holden?


Driving a Holden, it will be fair dinkum for you mate




Mike

 Interesting. You're afraid of insects and women. Ladybugs must render you catatonic.

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  Reply # 1010477 21-Mar-2014 11:10 Send private message

Geektastic: Quite so. We once fought a war against the buggers that lasted 100 years!


116 years to be precise :)

Also a moderator note to everyone: Please edit down your quotes to include just the part you want to quote - it's a nightmare for people wading through massive quotes to find the relevant bit.

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  Reply # 1010513 21-Mar-2014 11:51 Send private message

SpookyAwol:
surfisup1000: Figured out how to make youtube public and found the video of the big fat lady who went round the roundabout the wrong way.  

Anyone guess where :)


Tauranga near the mount?




Mount Maunganui, maunganui rd/hewletts roundabout. 

Notice the council planted a tree on the roundabout to inhibit visibility. Nice one. 



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  Reply # 1010577 21-Mar-2014 13:33 Send private message


Geektastic: I'm English - we are not even slightly concerned about being derogatory to the French, believe me!


Speak for yourself (I'm English too). :-)




surfisup1000: ... the big fat lady who went round the roundabout the wrong way.


We've got little roundabouts all over the new(ish) sub-divisions around here, and some of the lazy idiots cut across the corner the wrong way rather than drive around them. The police have just put up a security camera on the first roundabout of these paricular streets due to a few burglaries recently, so hopefully that will also stop the idiot drivers.

Ther's also a moron or two who used to drive down the walkway from the main road to cut 2 seconds off their trip - incredibly stupid since there's a resthome nearby and the residents often use that walkway in their daily walk around the block. The council must have had lots of complaints because they concreeted in some pillars at both ends.

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  Reply # 1010741 21-Mar-2014 17:34 One person supports this post Send private message

We just came back from a holiday up around taupo and came across some shockers, all of whom were rental cars being driven by tourists.
The first was an idiot doing 75kmh on the main road and refused to pull over into the slow vehicle lanes heading south from turangi.
Another was an (please excuse the way I phrases this) "Asian" tourist heading out of rotovegas, who proceeded to sweeping across into the right hand side of the road on straight stretches of road.

There seriously needs to be more education made compulsory for tourists when they go to rent a car, I'm surprised more people aren't killed.

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  Reply # 1010742 21-Mar-2014 17:35 Send private message

gzt:
blakamin:
gzt: I've noticed when I go all the way around a roundabout (indicating correctly all the way and out) many drivers make the incorrect assumption that I intend to take the prior exit. They demonstrate this assumption by taking off into my path. It is somewhat predictable, which shows that many people do not consider this case.


 All the way around? Are you lost? ;P
 
Usually just the most sensible way to get to an entrance or parking spot on the other side of a street. Traffic, road layout, etc.


I'm just stirring...
That's because idiots don't indicate out of the roundabout.  I get that in a shopping centre near here... so many morons.

surfisup1000:
sdav:
blakamin: Nearly forgot... I asked a council why they made roundabouts so high that you can't see over them and was told you should only be looking to your right and not straight ahead!


Well this doesn't answer why flax at a roundabout in a couple of places near me is too high for me to see to my right. It's so stupid.


That is a crap answer from the council. 

You should always be looking ahead for potential hazards and some roundabouts are so fast it does help to see traffic on the other side. Just the fact that you are asking this question means that you find it troublesome  regardless of the councils response. 


They seem to have no idea. Typical Kapiti council.

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  Reply # 1010750 21-Mar-2014 18:02 One person supports this post Send private message

I still remember the best example of a moron at a roundabout I ever saw in NZ... Me and a workmate were in 2 empty tippers, with him in front.  
This roundabout is basically a traffic flow device on a T-intersection. We were going straight and could both see nothing coming from the opposite direction, so nothing was going to turn in front of us.
Coming into the roundabout on our left, a young bloke, in a skyline that probably hadn't seen a WoF since Noah loaded the ark, looks to his right, sees the trucks and decides to gun it.
Workmate locks up the truck to avoid the accident (going about 15kph but it was that close!)
Unfortunately for the young bloke, he seems to have forgotten that he was towing his mate in another car!
Truck stops ON the tow rope!  About 6in each side of workmates cab, the cars...
I pulled up, workmate is is shaking (he saw the rope), young bloke is shaking, because he must've realised... but the towed bloke?
White as a ghost, death grip on the steering wheel, and can't say a word. 
I called the cops, walked back to the towed guy, who still hadn't moved, and asked if he needed a change of undies. I'm pretty sure his life flashed before his eyes.
I dunno if the tow-er ever got charged, but I reckon the tow-ee will use a tow truck next time!


BTW: In most states of Oz, it's illegal to use a tow rope to move cars about. Would be a good rule in NZ too.


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  Reply # 1010768 21-Mar-2014 18:50 Send private message

blakamin:
gzt:
blakamin:
gzt: I've noticed when I go all the way around a roundabout (indicating correctly all the way and out) many drivers make the incorrect assumption that I intend to take the prior exit. They demonstrate this assumption by taking off into my path. It is somewhat predictable, which shows that many people do not consider this case.


 All the way around? Are you lost? ;P
 
Usually just the most sensible way to get to an entrance or parking spot on the other side of a street. Traffic, road layout, etc.


I'm just stirring...
That's because idiots don't indicate out of the roundabout.  I get that in a shopping centre near here... so many morons.

surfisup1000:
sdav:
blakamin: Nearly forgot... I asked a council why they made roundabouts so high that you can't see over them and was told you should only be looking to your right and not straight ahead!


Well this doesn't answer why flax at a roundabout in a couple of places near me is too high for me to see to my right. It's so stupid.


That is a crap answer from the council. 

You should always be looking ahead for potential hazards and some roundabouts are so fast it does help to see traffic on the other side. Just the fact that you are asking this question means that you find it troublesome  regardless of the councils response. 


They seem to have no idea. Typical Kapiti council.


For a minute I thought you were talking about me hee hee. Favorite subject of course and just had a discussion with the nearly 16 year old telling me in 2 months time he will be on the road.
I'm filled with dread to be honest. I want him to have professional lessons not to be taught bad habits from his father but instead to learn proper skills. I believe all new drivers should be taught to drive properly. I've never seen such bad and slack driving since I've been here.

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  Reply # 1010769 21-Mar-2014 18:50 Send private message

blakamin:
gzt:
blakamin:
gzt: I've noticed when I go all the way around a roundabout (indicating correctly all the way and out) many drivers make the incorrect assumption that I intend to take the prior exit. They demonstrate this assumption by taking off into my path. It is somewhat predictable, which shows that many people do not consider this case.


 All the way around? Are you lost? ;P
 
Usually just the most sensible way to get to an entrance or parking spot on the other side of a street. Traffic, road layout, etc.


I'm just stirring...
That's because idiots don't indicate out of the roundabout.  I get that in a shopping centre near here... so many morons.

surfisup1000:
sdav:
blakamin: Nearly forgot... I asked a council why they made roundabouts so high that you can't see over them and was told you should only be looking to your right and not straight ahead!


Well this doesn't answer why flax at a roundabout in a couple of places near me is too high for me to see to my right. It's so stupid.


That is a crap answer from the council. 

You should always be looking ahead for potential hazards and some roundabouts are so fast it does help to see traffic on the other side. Just the fact that you are asking this question means that you find it troublesome  regardless of the councils response. 


They seem to have no idea. Typical Kapiti council.


For a minute I thought you were talking about me hee hee. Favorite subject of course and just had a discussion with the nearly 16 year old telling me in 2 months time he will be on the road.
I'm filled with dread to be honest. I want him to have professional lessons not to be taught bad habits from his father but instead to learn proper skills. I believe all new drivers should be taught to drive properly. I've never seen such bad and slack driving since I've been here.

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  Reply # 1010780 21-Mar-2014 19:11 Send private message

thecatsgoolies:

For a minute I thought you were talking about me hee hee. Favorite subject of course and just had a discussion with the nearly 16 year old telling me in 2 months time he will be on the road.
I'm filled with dread to be honest. I want him to have professional lessons not to be taught bad habits from his father but instead to learn proper skills. I believe all new drivers should be taught to drive properly. I've never seen such bad and slack driving since I've been here.


A course would definitely be the best for a new driver. I'll be making sure my daughters do one... in 6 and 11 years ;p

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