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  Reply # 1091173 18-Jul-2014 08:21 Send private message quote this post

I sincerely hope sanity prevails and it is not the legacy of those innocent that are lost that a wider conflict ensues

I hope its not prophetic that July 27 is near




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  Reply # 1091175 18-Jul-2014 08:26 Send private message quote this post

Gilco2: Officials now claim offically of a recording they have of rebels shooting the plane down.

This is not good if Russia is indirectly involved.   Just shudder to think possible ramifications


One of the papers I read, said a Rebel commander was bragging about shooting down a Ukraine transport plane, as the same location.

Sounds very much like a major mistake due to lack of positive identification.

However, take it all with a grain of salt.

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  Reply # 1091177 18-Jul-2014 08:29 Send private message quote this post

Woke up to this piece of sad and shocking news this morning.

Very sad indeed.  Thoughts ands prayers are will everyone on board and their respective families.  May all on board RIP...

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  Reply # 1091179 18-Jul-2014 08:34 Send private message quote this post

http://www.flightradar24.com/2014-07-17/13:20/12x/MAS17/3d6095b


You can see it fall off the radar here. Lots of other airlines around the same spot at the time.

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  Reply # 1091180 18-Jul-2014 08:43 Send private message quote this post

Malaysian news reports that 27 Australians on board.
143 from Netherlands.  

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  Reply # 1091188 18-Jul-2014 09:16 Send private message quote this post

Realistically the missiles to do that are most likely from Russia.....





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  Reply # 1091197 18-Jul-2014 09:42 Send private message quote this post

Even if the rebels did it which seems quite likely, Ukraine needs to take some of the blame for rejecting truce talks. Why were civilian aircraft flying over a war zone anyway?




#include <standard.disclaimer>

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  Reply # 1091198 18-Jul-2014 09:42 2 people support this post Send private message quote this post

Awful news, makes me so angry. But also, the amount of Palestinians that have died in the last 2 weeks makes me hate this world some times.

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  Reply # 1091202 18-Jul-2014 09:49 Send private message quote this post

RNZ reports at least 1 NZ passport holder was on board.

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  Reply # 1091208 18-Jul-2014 10:15 Send private message quote this post

KiwiNZ: I hope its not prophetic that July 27 is near

Please elaborate ?

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  Reply # 1091214 18-Jul-2014 10:27 Send private message quote this post

Sad news.

It should be noted that airspace over Ukraine is not a no-fly zone.

It would appear there are civilian planes in the air right now:
http://www.flightradar24.com/49.47,30.38/6

It looks like a catastrophic mistake on the part on those involved in giving the order.


Edit: Updated flightradar24 URL to reflect Ukrainian airspace

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  Reply # 1091215 18-Jul-2014 10:30 Send private message quote this post

I read this morning, that commercial airliners have transponders which missile systems big enough to take a plane out at that altitude and speed, will refuse to fire on if you "paint" the target. You would need to "override" the command sequence to make the system fire said missile. Based on that, little chance it was unintentional. Maybe wrong airline.

One might hope that despite the horrific consequences, that the consequences may force cooler heads to prevail and somewhat diffuse tensions in the area as they concentrate on this rather than the original conflict.

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  Reply # 1091217 18-Jul-2014 10:32 Send private message quote this post

jamesrt:
KiwiNZ: I hope its not prophetic that July 27 is near

Please elaborate ?


Sorry I had the day out by one should be July 28




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  Reply # 1091218 18-Jul-2014 10:34 Send private message quote this post

networkn: I read this morning, that commercial airliners have transponders which missile systems big enough to take a plane out at that altitude and speed, will refuse to fire on if you "paint" the target. You would need to "override" the command sequence to make the system fire said missile. Based on that, little chance it was unintentional. Maybe wrong airline.

One might hope that despite the horrific consequences, that the consequences may force cooler heads to prevail and somewhat diffuse tensions in the area as they concentrate on this rather than the original conflict.


unfortunately cooler heads has never been a feature of that region. 




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  Reply # 1091219 18-Jul-2014 10:35 Send private message quote this post

100 years since World war 1

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