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Topic # 207645 6-Jan-2017 14:31 Send private message quote this post

Last year it was the number 12. This year its the victims.
Its Its a grim situation with our road toll, Going to keep it short and sharp, Definitely hit home for me.

 

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11774842

 

How do you feel after reading that article?
Did it make you re consider our roads and the danger the posses?
Is this an effective way to campaign for safer roads?





 


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  Reply # 1699421 6-Jan-2017 15:04 12 people support this post Send private message quote this post

I will say one thing, the reduced 4 km/h over the speed limit threshold has done nothing, except bring in more money for the government.





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  Reply # 1699424 6-Jan-2017 15:08 4 people support this post Send private message quote this post

I consider the danger of NZ roads every time I drive on them. It is rare that I make a journey of any length and am not treated to displays of sheer incompetence, idiocy and stupidity en route, as well as numerous examples of bad highway design, poor road building and so on.

 

Clearly, the deaths are an acceptable price to pay to save money on sorting the issues out as I see no great drive to do anything productive to solve the problems. Wringing hands and saying how avoidable it all is is cheap but useless.

 

It begins with allowing learners to get as far as a test without any professional instruction. It's exacerbated by lots of old cars which lack passive safety devices, allowing children to hold driving licences, not requiring drivers to pay for their mistakes in the form of higher insurance premiums, designing roads badly, having inappropriate speed limits, not using proper surfaces, not making more use of camera enforcement systems - the list just goes on and on.

 

Until such time as the 9th Floor office of the Beehive decides it should be a priority the problem will continue.

 

Plus of course you will never eradicate it entirely because whatever you do, Sh1t happens.








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  Reply # 1699428 6-Jan-2017 15:20 Send private message quote this post

Geektastic:

 

I consider the danger of NZ roads every time I drive on them. It is rare that I make a journey of any length and am not treated to displays of sheer incompetence, idiocy and stupidity en route, as well as numerous examples of bad highway design, poor road building and so on.

 

It begins with allowing learners to get as far as a test without any professional instruction. It's exacerbated by lots of old cars which lack passive safety devices, allowing children to hold driving licences, not requiring drivers to pay for their mistakes in the form of higher insurance premiums, designing roads badly, having inappropriate speed limits, not using proper surfaces, not making more use of camera enforcement systems - the list just goes on and on.

 

 

I agree with all you say there. I consider myself a young safe educated driver. I know my car inside out, I know its capabilities and the limits. I pay attention to the road surfacing camber and many other factors on every journey. I have race track and experience bringing cars under control at speed. Legal drifting. I have never had any form of infringement from an authority either. No speeding tickets from a camera or officer etc..
I have a defensive drivers certificate too. (Lol if that counts)

 


I get royally reamed for insurance, I have never claimed for anything in my life. I have had insurance on all my cars for the last 5 years, For full cover i pay around $1800 a year for a BMW 2.8L non turbo station wagon. They cant consider any of my experience or certificates, Until im 25 i get put in the same bag as the rest.






 


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  Reply # 1699431 6-Jan-2017 15:32 One person supports this post Send private message quote this post

CYaBro:

 

I will say one thing, the reduced 4 km/h over the speed limit threshold has done nothing, except bring in more money for the government.

 

 

It would be interesting to know if double demerit points would be a more effective deterent than doubling the fines, I know Western Australia does it but there seems to be lots of different opinions on the subject.




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  Reply # 1699432 6-Jan-2017 15:36 One person supports this post Send private message quote this post

meesham:

 

CYaBro:

 

I will say one thing, the reduced 4 km/h over the speed limit threshold has done nothing, except bring in more money for the government.

 

 

It would be interesting to know if double demerit points would be a more effective deterent than doubling the fines, I know Western Australia does it but there seems to be lots of different opinions on the subject.

 

 

 

 

I prefer the 1 month suspension of licence method + fine and or community service.
How much are speeding tickets anyway? I have never had one haha.....





 


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  Reply # 1699437 6-Jan-2017 15:49 Send private message quote this post

Speaking as someone who has been severely delayed getting home about 7 or 8 times in 2016 alone due to some muppet who decided to wipe themselves out on SH1 between Puhoi and Warkworth, I would like to say a) slow the f*** down, you muppets, and b) hurry up and get the "holiday highway" underway. It's easily worth 3-4 lives a year.

 

Also, if we could institute some sort of sticker system so locals can still get to their houses when they live before the accident site, that'd be great.





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  Reply # 1699465 6-Jan-2017 16:23 Send private message quote this post

I feel there are multiple factors contributing.

1. For a big percentage our roads the maximum speed is too high.

2. The refusal of drivers to obey the road rules and common sense.

3. The poor state of the bulk of our roads and the poor state of our fleet.

4.penalties that are not to the degree that they serve as a deterrent.

5. Drivers not adjusting their driving to the conditions




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  Reply # 1699483 6-Jan-2017 17:01 One person supports this post Send private message quote this post

If anyone seriously wants to improve their chances, I highly recommend seeking out the IAM (Institute of Advanced Motorists) who are internationally known and can be relied upon. The basis of the IAM test is the UK Police Drivers Handbook (adapted here for NZ roads etc) and it is basically the same standard as a UK police driver but without the specialist elements like  pursuit driving and so on.

 

There is a Wellington Branch and an Auckland Branch for sure and you can find details here

 

I want to finish it here (I did it in the UK years ago) but it's very hard for me because none of the Observers live anywhere near me, so it means a 4 or 5 hour day just to do an hour's observed driving, so I have the task on the back burner for now.






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  Reply # 1699491 6-Jan-2017 17:31 One person supports this post Send private message quote this post

Geektastic:

 

If anyone seriously wants to improve their chances, I highly recommend seeking out the IAM (Institute of Advanced Motorists) who are internationally known and can be relied upon. The basis of the IAM test is the UK Police Drivers Handbook (adapted here for NZ roads etc) and it is basically the same standard as a UK police driver but without the specialist elements like  pursuit driving and so on.

 

There is a Wellington Branch and an Auckland Branch for sure and you can find details here

 

I want to finish it here (I did it in the UK years ago) but it's very hard for me because none of the Observers live anywhere near me, so it means a 4 or 5 hour day just to do an hour's observed driving, so I have the task on the back burner for now.

 

 

Thanks for info. I will pass it to missus to enhance her driving.





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  Reply # 1699493 6-Jan-2017 17:39 Send private message quote this post

Geektastic:

 

If anyone seriously wants to improve their chances, I highly recommend seeking out the IAM (Institute of Advanced Motorists) who are internationally known and can be relied upon. The basis of the IAM test is the UK Police Drivers Handbook (adapted here for NZ roads etc) and it is basically the same standard as a UK police driver but without the specialist elements like  pursuit driving and so on.

 

There is a Wellington Branch and an Auckland Branch for sure and you can find details here

 

I want to finish it here (I did it in the UK years ago) but it's very hard for me because none of the Observers live anywhere near me, so it means a 4 or 5 hour day just to do an hour's observed driving, so I have the task on the back burner for now.

 

 

 

 

I did an advanced driver course a few years back, I highly recommend them.





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  Reply # 1699497 6-Jan-2017 17:55 Send private message quote this post

A lot of motorcyclists dying.  Another one this afternoon (near Cardrona).


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  Reply # 1699545 6-Jan-2017 19:36 Send private message quote this post

Fred99:

 

A lot of motorcyclists dying.  Another one this afternoon (near Cardrona).

 

 

Yes, but are the crashes the bike riders fault?    





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  Reply # 1699551 6-Jan-2017 19:53 Send private message quote this post

This is how the authorities see it and aim to address it.

 

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/assets/network/operating/safely/doc/safe-system-presentation.pdf

 

 






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  Reply # 1699552 6-Jan-2017 19:56 3 people support this post Send private message quote this post

What we never seem to see, and would be very interesting, is a follow-up six months on saying what the true root cause of all these deaths was.  I think if you rule out the following, the chance of dying is actually very small:

 

 - alcohol

 

 - unroadworthy vehicle

 

 - totally excessive speed

 

 - not wearing a seat belt

 

 - going to sleep while driving

 

 - reckless overtaking, especially by motorbikes


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  Reply # 1699553 6-Jan-2017 19:57 3 people support this post Send private message quote this post

and, by "excessive speed". I mean excessive for the road conditions, not the speed limit.  It can be quite safe to drive in excess of the limit, just as it can be very dangerous to drive well below the limit


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