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Topic # 113216 9-Jan-2013 20:26 Send private message

My sister is trying to add a BluRay player for my father in Queenstown.

His (old) Plasma only has component or S-Video inputs. She bought a Samsung (which I've heard does CatchUp TV so I said look at those), but it only had HDMI output. She then asked for one with "the best connection below HDMI" and was sold a Panasonic with composite output. They told her component wasn't available on BluRay players anymore (and she went to 3 stores!)

I assume they are wrong! And I figure a BluRay player with composite is worthless. DVDs with composite was never as good as S-Video or component - so even if BluRay component is reduced to 576 it'll be better than composite. When he updates his TV he'll use HDMI of course, but until then he's restricted.

Could anyone advise on a good, cheap player?  S-Video could be plugged straight into his amp with a coax-digital audio, which would probably simplify things with little loss in quality (right?).

* S-Video
* Component
* Coax digital audio

We may be restricted to what she can get easily in Queenstown, she's only there a few days.
Appreciate your thoughts!


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  Reply # 742521 9-Jan-2013 20:54 Send private message

Unfortunately the analogue sunset has caught up with you / your father.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/10/analog-sunset-begins-all-the-new-blu-ray-players-will-only-outp/

...so yeah, you're in the wrong unfortunately.
Oh yeah, anyone who is expecting to output HD out of their MySky box will be sorely disappointed too!

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  Reply # 742524 9-Jan-2013 20:57 Send private message

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think you won't able to find BD player with S-Video or Components, however you may able to get some (limited) selection of video out.

I recently got Toshiba BDX3200KY 3D Bd player from JBHiFi online for $198. It has a firmware upgrade disc to enable multi-zone (DVD) and selectable multi-region (BD). The only one that has such feature (for both DVD and BD) on a 3D BD player that I known of.




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  Reply # 742528 9-Jan-2013 21:00 Send private message

Even if you can find a blu ray player with component (and they are uncommon now), there wouldn't be much point. The blu-ray licensing body has stipulated that any licensed player manufactured made after 2010 must limit analog video output to SD Interlace Modes only. Picture quality would be a bit better, but it's marginal.

The key questions are:

1. Is his telly high-definition capable (ie can it receive a HD signal over its component inputs)?
2. Budget?
3. How important is good picture quality to your dad?
4. How much if your dad attached to the TV.


Start with question 1. If the answer is no: the TV can't receive an HD signal, then there is little point in getting a blu ray player. The purpose of blu ray is really HD picture quality. If the TV can't show this then, to my mind, you may as well just get a cheap DVD player.

If the TV can cope with HD over component then you have a couple of choices, which link to how often the TV will be used and what your budget is.

A. Get a blu ray player and connect it using analog. Picture quality will very. Component output (if you can find it) will give best picture quality, S-Video second best, and composite worst. In all cases, picture quality will be standard definition no better than a good DVD player.

B. Spend a couple of hundred dollars getting something that will sit between the blu-ray player and the TV, with an HDMI input and spitting out HD over component as output. The HDFury is the best known of these, you will probably have to order from offshore. The HDFury model 2 will be fine for what you want, the HDFury models 3 or 4 are probably overkill. Picture quality will be HD, much better than option A, but not quite as good as pure HDMI because of the digital-analog conversion.

C. Bite the bullet, accept that what he has is obsolescent, and get a new TV. I got a full-HD 32" for $399 off-brand from the Warehouse as a spare-room set. Even this will blow away anything connected in SD using composite cables. Good brand name units are probably in the $7-800 range for 32", a bit more for larger. This is the most expensive option, but also less complex than option B, and should give the best picture quality.

Personally, I would go with option C, unless budget is a real issue. If he's already using an amp for sound etc (as you state) then he probably cares about quality, and the screen is centre-stage for the home entertainment setup.

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  Reply # 742581 9-Jan-2013 22:56 Send private message

GOOD NEWS!!

Get yourself Soniq QPB302B from JBHiFi online for $165.

It has Component, S-VHS and Composite output (mentioned in CNet review under "Design and Features")

Manual from Soniq also confirmed those output options.

Bonus also is, this has multi-zone (DVD) and switchable multi-region (BD).




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  Reply # 742587 9-Jan-2013 23:39 Send private message

What model television does he have? Is he watching analog on it?

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  Reply # 742618 10-Jan-2013 08:30 Send private message

bfginger: Is he watching analog on it?


If he is then he won't be for long. After April he'll need Sky or a Satellite Freeview install.

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  Reply # 742629 10-Jan-2013 09:15 Send private message

chiefie: GOOD NEWS!!

Get yourself Soniq QPB302B from JBHiFi online for $165.

It has Component, S-VHS and Composite output (mentioned in CNet review under "Design and Features")

Manual from Soniq also confirmed those output options.

Bonus also is, this has multi-zone (DVD) and switchable multi-region (BD).



If you read through the links you'll discover that the component output will now only produce a picture marginally above composite... and most people won't pick the difference. Component = no longer HD.


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  Reply # 742653 10-Jan-2013 09:47 Send private message

Dunnersfella: If you read through the links you'll discover that the component output will now only produce a picture marginally above composite... and most people won't pick the difference. Component = no longer HD.


I don't think that would be a huge issue, given that when the time to upgrade the TV, the unit is at least ready. As for its current usage, it will be usable on the existing TV without too huge investment to get onto HDMI/BD era.




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  Reply # 742654 10-Jan-2013 09:50 Send private message

Also Bluray contents has HDCP copy protection, which will prevent non-HDCP compliant screens from display the contents. HDCP can only be delivered over a compliant digital connection like HDMI. I am afraid its time to ditch S-VHS and Composite connections.



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  Reply # 742841 10-Jan-2013 14:39 Send private message

Thanks Everyone.
He's on a Pioneer at 1024x768, so there's so value to getting a 720p signal to it. I agree he'll need to get a new TV in the next couple of years. His Bose Amp is very nice, built in DVD which just died and digital surround, but only a single S-Video input (& coax digital). He uses Sky mostly.

All up he needs a new system. But he's not there yet.

Best bet might be to get her to put in an old DVD player temporarily, via S-Video.

I didn't realise component was being so heavily locked down, appreciate the information. I assume finding an older bluray has no real value? - I'd send my home Samsung BluRay (Australian) from last year, though perhaps it downgrades the component output too.



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  Reply # 742849 10-Jan-2013 14:55 Send private message

I'd just go for a DVD player in the meantime. They are really dirt cheap nowadays anyway. When upgrading the screen get a package deal with a new Blu-Ray player.



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  Reply # 742854 10-Jan-2013 15:18 Send private message

Yes I think so.

The Bose repairer quoted $10,000 for a bluray Bose system and new plasma.

I think I'll help select, down the track.

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  Reply # 742874 10-Jan-2013 15:39 Send private message

You could get a converter such as this http://www.rapalloav.co.nz/audio-video-converters/hdmi-to-component-converter.html.


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  Reply # 742885 10-Jan-2013 16:09

The Pioneer plasmas were extremely good.
I guess its just the connectivity that is causing you some issues now.

There is also this model converter : http://www.pbtech.co.nz/index.php?z=p&p=ADPDNX1004
A little cheaper - around the $100 mark.

Here is the spec from the dynamix website: http://www.dynamix.co.nz/productimages/pdfs/hdmisb21.pdf

It says it is a resolution pass thru converter - so I am not sure if the HDMI (from the blu-ray) signal was 1080 (ie full HD) if the TV display will down convert it to 720. Many TVs would just down convert - you would need to check if your model does.
Either that or perhaps you can set the HDMI output on the proposed blu-ray to 720p




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  Reply # 742893 10-Jan-2013 16:26 Send private message

Bose? I wouldn't go that route.

Component = no longer HD.

The story was new Blu-ray player models introduced after 2010 are not allowed to do HD over component so in practice they just dropped component. The model chiefie linked to above was introduced in 2010 so whether it still does HD over component or not I don't know but it probably does.

As far as I know 2010 and earlier Panasonic Blu-ray players still do do Blu-ray HD over component. The deal is supposed to be that Blu-ray discs released after a certain date would have an Image Constraint Token flag that the player, when detected, would disallow HD over analogue. In practice the ICT flag hasn't taken off, probably because of the leaking of the HDCP key. Some other brands like Sony have released firmware updates that retroactively remove HD over analogue support from older players. No Blu-ray player will upscale DVDs without HDCP.

So if the model Chefie linked to isn't a goer then a Panasonic off Trademe with component may work fine. They can be region-freed for DVDs via a special programmable remote sequence. Just make sure you don't consider one from before 2009 as the early BD models are sluggish. Some models like the BD80 can be region-freed for Blu-rays via a hardware hack but I don't know if you can still get the component.

He's on a Pioneer at 1024x768, so there's so value to getting a 720p signal to it. I agree he'll need to get a new TV in the next couple of years. His Bose Amp is very nice, built in DVD which just died and digital surround, but only a single S-Video input (& coax digital). He uses Sky mostly.

Sending 1080i would probably work out better. Although the resolution isn't 1080p the Pioneers were relatively good at the time so it would be an upgrade to be sending HD to the TV, versus Sky SD?

I don't know what the converter wallop linked to would be like but an HDFury 3 should solve the problems of running a component TV with a current Blu-ray player and MySkyHD. It isn't cheap but it is a high quality unit.
http://www.hdfury.com/products/

The Magic TV 3600 does HD over component and is often available second hand on Trademe. If you get one make sure to upgrade the firmware and I'd suggest turning off the feature that makes the HDD constantly active so you can rewind live TV (noisy).

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